The War In Iraq Is Over!

PIRA is another word for freedom fighters. The English brought it on themselves. The blood debt has not yet been expiated.

 

This is off topic and merits a thread of it's own.

 

Sure, that applies to Hamas, but what did the U.K. ever do to that doctor?

What did the U.S. do to the 9/11 pilots?

 

Not sure about the doctor, SS, I would need look into that more.

I don't feel I need to add this caveat, but at the same time...I obviously do not agree with anyone doing what they did on 911, of course not, but again, I can see the psychology that may create the environment, which may lead to this being a possible.

It is NOT the US people that the Arab world hates, albeit, sadly, some do not make a distinction. It is US Foreign policies.

And those policies are NOT decided by the people of America, alas.

They are decided by a cabel of elites, who have no sense of loyalty to anything, but profit, in some way or form.

They can make relentless policies that are clearly going to make the US unpopular in the world, because they know they personally will not have to face the backlash.

Also, see this thread;

http://www.politicalforum.com/polit...13939-elites-want-poison-islam-decadence.html

 

I invite you to prove the assertion contained in the portion of your post quoted above.

 

Of course it's your foreign policy, lol, do you really think they give a feck if you spend all your days in Disney, and worshipping the god of MUNI?

Seriously, the so called foreign policy of the US has, at least for some time now, been the sole reason why the US are so hated in the Arab World. It is policy that you are not asked about, these people do not represent you, or anyone like you, they do what they feel like, in essence.

Try walking a mile in the shoes of another, do some different reading, find out just how far and wide US foreign policy has caused the deaths of so many non Americans, across the world.

Then come back and tell me you would not be angry at that, if you were in that position?

 

Sure you have.

 

These were questions, not theories, per se.

Followed by three reasonable questions that any intelligent person SHOULD ask.

It is the basis for all criminal investigations, motive + means.

And if I were an American, I would be VERY angry at what was said by BN, in Israel, not in ANY context should they see it as beneficial to them, let alone be so brazen as to say it.

 

If by foreign policy you mean our decision not to remain on our side of the oceaan, I would agree.

 

I mean the criminal mafia's UNCONDITIONAL SUPPORT for Israel, no matter how many times it breaks international law.

That for a start.

 

Questions and answers. Questions based upon the assumption that Al qaeda did not carry out 9/11 and answers suggesting who did carry it out.

 

You answer them then.

As a yes and no, like I did.

And be honest.

 

You haven't carried your burden of proof.

Muslim Arabs hate non-Muslim Arabs, e.g., the Coptic Christians of Egypt who are very much like Muslims in a number of ways.

The Arab world hates modernity and all that comes with it. Arabs can't cope with modernity on a cultural and religious basis. Europe coped with modernity by losing its religion. The Arabs aren't willing to do that.

America has been the core state of modernity. That is why Arabs hate Americans. Americans are an existential threat to their culture and religion.

 

Jack,

Who do you think perpetrated the terrorist attacks of 9/11?

 

Modernity?

LOL.

Is it the obesity, the usury, the politcal corruption, the increasing number of political idiots, the be rich or die health care, the poor state education, the drugs and drink dependency, the high suicide rates, the high abortion rates, the high instances of teen binge drinking, or the large scale porn and prostitution that they envy?

Is that why they did 911?

Is that why they hate US policy?

Not the unconditional support of a state that breaks international law?

This is class.

 

I believe it to be inconclusive.

 

Are you familiar with Bernard Lewis? Check out this book:

[ame="http://www.amazon.com/What-Went-Wrong-Between-Modernity/dp/0060516054/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1320034705&sr=1-1"]Amazon.com: What Went Wrong?: The Clash Between Islam and Modernity in the Middle East (9780060516055): Bernard Lewis: Books[/ame]

 

In other words you have no idea what happened. That's fine.

 

Thank god it's going to be over.

 

I dont think it has anything to do with being Arab, and is instead their religion of Islam.

 

Obama is moving more troops into the Persian Gulf. Nothing is over except the beginning.

 

Maybe these same men and media actually did tell the truth for once Jack. One thing I know for certain is that, in the absence of hard evidence to the contrary (which is likely to remain hidden forever if such exists), what option do we have other than to either accept or speculate?
Trust me when I tell you I've read all the theories, heard all the alternative voices about 'inside jobs' and had my moments of doubt and suspicion, but for 9/11 to have been a black flag would have involved an enormously complex conspiracy and many, many people.
Much as I try I just cannot see how you'd keep something of such enormity secret, nor how three huge buildings could have been covertly wired for the huge amounts of explosives I'm assuming would have been needed to bring down those buildings.

As for Al Qaeda not being involved and your comment on the implied difficulty and complexity of such an operation, on the face of it it wasn't that complicated a plan and many, many aeroplanes have been hijacked in the past by extremists.

Having said all that there are some significant holes in the 9/11 Commission Report, either by design or omission.

 

I can too,thats why it never goes away....but whats lacking is any evidence of such a conspiracy and any actual viable demonstratable theory.

Its hardly shocking tho that strong words for once were finally replaced by definitive action, taking into account AQ previous escalations vs the USA.

Try not to forget 911 was the last in a series of attacks from Bin laden.

 

Why not end the drug war as well and claim we are simply being more fiscally responsible during times of lowering taxes?

 

Nope, not so at all. What REALLY happened was that 'you' didn't find the WMDs which, in case you need reminding, was the justification given at UN resolution 1411 to seek its approval for an invasion of Iraq. Remember now?

A further reminder of the real situation - at a press conference on January 31, 2003, Bush again reiterated that the single trigger for the invasion would be Iraq’s failure to disarm. THAT, the disarming of WMDs was your mission, not the regime change that you claim above.

Only later, when the finding of WMDs became a problem because it seemed that in fact they had never been there in the first place, just as Sadam insisted, the need suddenly arose to find a new reason for being an invader. REGIME CHANGE was the new rallying call which you seem to swallow as the justification for invading Iran. Please go and read the UN 1441 minutes.

Suddenly Fox News and the rest of the red-neck media found all these earlier references to Bush, Cheney and Rumsveld citing regime change. Sure they had, but that aklso failed to change the original justification. We were all watching intently, and that volte fa(r)ce fooled no intent follower of international events, not one iota.

SO YOU IN REALITY YOU FAILED.

But in trying to BS the world that regime change was in fact the main reason for the invasion, Cheney and Dubya made all 'Murka look like a two-faced hypocrite, and the reason is to be found in events in the 1980s. In case you need reminding, at the time Saddam was EXACTLY the same tyrant as he was in 2003. He was suppressing his people, ignoring even the most basic of human rights, invading neighbours, violating the charter of the United Nations, and committing crimes against humanity. Even worse than in 2003, in the 1980s he was actively using WMDs against Kurds and Iranians.

And Dubya ended up making the US look like a two-faced hypocrite in international eyes. Because what was evil in 2003 was absolutely fine in 1983; in the early 1980s, the fact that Saddam was a foul tyrant was fine by the US. In fact he was your buddy and Rumsveld (the same one) went to Iraq to shake his hand in friendship. Right up until 1984 Reagan and Hussein were buddies. What a two-faced load of rubbish.



So go pull the other leg about "Mission Accomplished", when your mission has in fact been a continuously changing target.