The Wealthy Do Pay Income Taxes

Work together with the millions of others who share your opinion.

 

That sounds somewhat hard to impossible...and why do it when we have a system in place that meets our needs?

Oh wait....you aren't interested in actually doing anything. You're just throwing up BS roadblocks

 

Because it's based upon violence. Because it's riddled with waste, fraud, and abuse. Because it's unsustainable.

Actually, I'm interested in removing roadblocks and destroying the healthcare oligopoly. I've already suggested eliminating barriers to entry that prevent anyone from purchasing insurance, healthcare, or medicine from whomever they want. Eliminate those restrictions and costs will plummet.

 

The issue is should we tax wealth of LIVING people try again.

There are LOTS of people with high incomes but little net worth as in younger workers and there are LOTS of people with lots of wealth with little income as in retired people. You want to tax those younger workers at lower rates than seniors?

And how would you do it?

 

Odd that your only solution is "start your own healthcare company".

Yes...we can do that so easily.

You're being dishonest.

You've made it clear that you think Medicare should be trashed (despite it's success) and your opposition to making it stronger and allowing ANYONE to buy into it has nothing to do with pragmatism and everything to do with right wing idelogy

 

So you agree we should not have a tax on wealth of living persons because as I showed you said previously it was a possibilty.
And nowhere did I voice support for the estate tax where did you get that idea?

 

Again. Claiming that income ans net worth have no relationship is either ignorant or dishonest. Yes if you magically started getting a million dollar income it might take a few years to accumulate assets but within a very short time you will unless you're really ****ing stupid.

And we are talking about this in terms of tax policy...and guess what? Tax policy is not short term.

 

What I related wasn't just some nonsense it was a workplace rule and subject of a strike. Why do you think workers routinely eeject unions these days? Less than 10% of the private workforce is union represented. The largest representation is governme t workers who should never have been allowed to be unionized.

 

In general I am a hard core capitalist but, making massive profits off of healthcare is immoral. I do not see it as any different than extortion - "give up your life savings or die".

 

That's YOUR straw man. That is NOT an Estate Tax. Why do you avoid talking about something that is real?

 

Workers reject unions (when that occurs) because management utilizes companies whose only purpose is to intimidate workers and spread lies about unions and what "could" happen if they agree to form a union. I've seen it first hand

 

That's why I am suggesting eliminating barriers to entry and destroying the health care oligopoly. Businesses compete with each other for customers by providing better quality at lower prices. In order to do this, they must return profit to the customer and operate on leaner margins, making less profit.

 

As I suspected. Rather than attempt to refute even on of my claims, you ran to the playground crying "NO NO NO" to stick head deep in the sandbox of denial.

 

The bureaucracy is part of it of course. The key point though is the "bureaucracy" - like that of other nations is preferable to our system.

At this point it is the lesser of two evils.

 

So workers are too stupid to know what is in their own best interest then and unions are too incompetent to present a case for themselves. WOW what an indictment of our labor force and unions. And your coveate "when they occur" is far more often than not is it not?

 

No THAT is the issue and what was proposed as a possibility, taxing the wealth of LIVING persons in order to create some asserted "fairness", do keep up.

 

I do not necessarily agree that there should not be a wealth tax on living persons. I do agree that doing this would be highly complicated and would put too much power in the hands of Gov't. It is kind of like the death penalty. I agree that serial killers and mass murderers and serial pedophiles should be put to death. The problem is that the Gov't can not manage to do this without killing innocent people by casting too wide of a net.

The more wealth one has, the more one benefits from civil society - and the institutions that keep society civil such as police, military, welfare and so on.

Those with great wealth owe society a great deal for protecting that wealth for them. Right now wealth inequality is becoming a serious problem - a problem that is endangering the security and liberty of all US citizens.

Oligopolies/Oligarchs/(robber barons) now control way too much. They control the mainstream media and use this to further their goals (war in particular which is highly profitable - and leaves us with massive debt = 450B/year in interest payments and counting)

Every time a tax law or regulation is made the Oligopolies are sitting at the table (and perhaps have a right to be there). The problem is that those representing the interest of the people are either in the pocket of, or influence by, the Oligopoly. The Oligopoly does not win every table but, over time, table after table, the rules of the game get skewed towards the Oligopoly and this bastardizing the free market.

These Oligopolies benefit from roads, infrastructure, police, military and so on. The worker/Corp tax split used to be 50/50. It is now 80/20.

Why should I be subsidizing the profits of the Oligopolies ? McD's can not survive without roads, police and so on. ... for what ? a few min wage jobs - jobs that would still be there if McD's disappeared.

If I was not paying the tab for McD's I would be spending that money in the local economy. Instead that money goes to some nameless faceless shareholder that may not even live in the country - never mind spend in the local economy.

 

Other than this thread and your conversation...show us who is proposing a wealth tax.

The answer is few if any people are proposing that.

Get back to us when you re-enter the real world

 

Easier said than done. In health care there are only a few companies (sometimes only one) that provide various drugs and services.
Insurance for example is a rigged game in this country. You have many different vendors but, they all use the same 3 re-insurers.
These are owned by the same people and they fix prices.

Getting rid of the long patent periods on drugs would help. There are also the bureaucratic monopolies. The number of people going through medical school is restricted to keep wages high. This is especially true for dentistry.

 

Oh geez, the lesser of two evils crap agsin.

Ceding control to self serving bureaucrats who have to power to rape you by decree is foolishness

 

so ****ing jealous of others are we

 

He wants to be the net recipient of other people's stuff

 

The medicare is charity rate care that physicians provide to seniors. Now you want charity care too. No surprise

 

BS-the Death tax costs more to administer then it brings in.

the first 'goal' is not a proper governmental goal.

 

winners win, losers lose. deal with that and stop being envious of the successful