There is no right to have an abortion

Hey look we agree on a few things! Woohoo!

Humans have sex. Some early in life and others later. Parents cannot stop it. The worst case scenario is that a kid finds them self in a situation where they are going to have sex and they haven't talked or thought about it ahead of time. They are at risk of pregnancy, disease, or even simply misinterpreting the other person's consent, or lack there of.

Shop lifting is illegal and punishable. Having sex is a human right. The parents might not like it. They might be totally creeped out by the idea of their kid having sex, but it is ultimately the kid's decision. It is their body.

Here's a different analogy. When a kid is getting ready to turn 16 and get their drivers license we don't just hand them keys, look the other way and expect them not to have an accident. First we talk about driving and what a big responsibility it is. We talk about the consequences of not following the rules or paying attention. The kid takes some classes and when they are ready get behind the wheel. We teach them about driving but not about sex, even though a split minute decision can ruin their life in either activity.

Scars are part of life. Whether we talk to our kids about sex or not isn't going to change how much sex they have. It might change the type of sex they have or when, or with whom. Understanding the full implication of sex could encourage kids to wait. Not talking to them about sex leaves things a secret. It leaves them to their best guess. The more educated they are the better and more informed decisions they can make.

I disagree. It makes some people happy. It may seem like a foreign concept to you or I but some people can find happiness in promiscuity. With that lifestyle comes an accepted heightened risk, but if a person is well informed and aware and it makes them happy, good for them.

IUDs aren't sex toys. They are a form of birth control that is inserted and can be left for 5-10 years. They are highly effective because they remove the human error component of pills or condoms.

Sexually active teen girls become sexually active women who have sex with whom they want, which is their right.

What do you mean? If a husband has sex with his wife I would say he already knows she's sexually active.

 

There is a big difference between a member talking about their beliefs and ideology compared to a member talking about how they want to force their beliefs and ideology upon others!

The topic of abortion tends to have a number of members discussing it who have very strong beliefs upon the issue but what is lacking is for such members to actually discuss what is the best and most sensible way to lower the total number of abortions within the existing law.

No matter how strongly a member feels abortion should be outlawed will not change the FACT that abortion in the United States is and will remain legal and there are absolutely many situations where an abortion is necessary and morally justified.

The U.S. Supreme Court no matter how manipulated and no matter what new justices might be installed by a President cannot go against existing case precedent specifically a persons right to self preservation.

This legal reality alone means that there will NEVER....EVER be a ban on abortion in the United States.

AA

 

You're right I haven't worn a condom as I am a woman However the decreased sensation compared to herpes or unplanned pregnancy seems worth it to me. I've heard male friends say the condom fell off and they never noticed, so maybe sensation varies between men or type of condom. For couples alternating methods seems possible. The man could wear the condom sometimes, then the woman could wear a female condom sometimes. She could get an IUD or ring insert. I just don't think it should fall 100% to the woman. If you've never taken a daily birth control pill you can't really speak to that any more than I about male condoms. It screws up your cycle, you hormones go nuts depending on the brand, it's more expensive than condoms, etc. we all pay a price for having safe sex, but it's a lot more tolerable price than the consequences of unprotected sex.

 

Technically the Supreme Court can overturn previous rulings. That's why all these anti abortion laws states are sneaking through scare me. There is a war happening right now and I fear there aren't enough people paying attention. That's also why I think it's incredibly important to have a democratic president in November who will ultimately appoint multiple justices. Or at least a democratically controlled senate to block conservative appointees. If a republican president is chosen and they maintain control of the senate, there is no telling what they will do to abortion.

 

I personally cannot stand condoms as they feel like I have a tourniquet on my penis!!

But I would rather put on a condom than contract an STD!!!

AA

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But the Court cannot go against the Constitution.

It cannot pass or overturn any ruling that would not allow a person the right of self preservation as such a thing is guaranteed by the U.S. Constitution.

AA

 

I believe most women feel sad for the lost possibilities after an abortion. Most will have feelings of guilt, but that is primarily guilt induced by society (especially the church) in an attempt to manipulate their behavior (and that of other women). I will say that a woman who gets an abortion just to hurt the father deserves to feel guilt about the harm they are doing to another person, but most women who get an abortion are just trying to find a way to survive a difficult situation. They should not feel guilty about terminating the pregnancy because (in nearly every case) the abortion is performed before a sentient being (or soul or spirit) is in place.

 

You are far more casual about killing the unborn than I happen to be.

Perhaps it is because this has happened in my life and it is still so hurtful. And the last one was around 1993.

I have seen the outcome.

 

You cannot expect a woman to carry to full term an unwanted pregnancy.

Sure it hurts.

But it is not your call.

AA

 

That is understandable. Did you have more children after that abortion? If so, isn't it possible that one of your later children was actually the soul that would have inhabited the aborted fetus?

 

We have one poster using the initials of F H that believes in minding our own business since what happens is none of our business.

So, why do you care about abortion?

 

The first abortion by the mother of our adult daughter, (born 1966) was her last one. We divorced in 1978 and the abortion was probably in 1976-7) The soul is not likely to have inhabited a woman I was madly in love with around 1991 who also aborted our child, secretly I will add. We broke up very soon after her abortion. Not over that on my part but she would sneak off to San Francisco and meet some guy and lie to me about it. She told me, my sister and her co workers she was pregnant with our child. She gave me a con job story of being at home with an old woman and being sick in bed. She lied. She was then in SF where I believe she got the abortion at Kaiser Hospital.


Finally a woman I also later fell in love with got rid of our child around 1994, though she told me she was going to planned parenthood to kill our child. We split up in 1995 though we had moved into a home together in 1994. She very clearly was deeply hurt.

It is like you say about condoms. I personally was not caught up with women with STD so I must have escaped.

 

What does blacks not having civil rights to do with abortion, and whether the baby is human when it comes out. Besides, I come from a long line of peasants. It wasn't too long ago that people like me didn't have many rights either. The Irish were treated far more inhumanely than the blacks were, and the only rights the Irish had was to used as canon fodder in various wars. Get over it! You didn't have rights and you were victims, now you have rights and your still victims. It gets really, really old.

 

It is not your frigging call either.

 

You don't act like this is your topic.

Why won't posters post and leave out the belligerent attitude?

 

I agree. I do not generally trust either party, but in this matter it is clear that Republican politicians sell out women's rights to buy votes. Republicans are already trying to regulate abortion clinics out of existence in some states.

 

She's promiscuous, and you're just sowing your wild oats. Got it. Where ever there is a whore, there is always at least one man nearby.

 

Of course not.

It's the woman's call.

AA

 

Scared to mention my name ? ...

IF I said people should mind their own business it was in relation to people NOT trying to FORCE their will on others.

As a Pro-Choice person I will make it my business when someone tries to take away women's rights. That is NOT forcing my will on others , it's preserving the freedom and liberty and rights that ALL Americans should have...too bad you object....

 

The topic is abortion, not black rights. You're the one that doesn't act like this is your topic.