There is no right to have an abortion

Say Fox Hastings, perhaps off the forum you are a decent person.

From things you say, I won't say you are decent.

But clearly you are a major detraction.

I am tired of your taunts and insults.

 

Of course there is no right to have an abortion and I'll go further and say it's not a woman's issue either. It's not her life. It's that child's life and that child should be the only one given a say in if they'd rather exist or not. Not the woman it's not her life or existence. Many people are inconvenienced by other people inadvertently that doesn't mean that they have a right to eliminate that person. This is the same thing. This is a person and person's life or death we're talking about.

 

You basically said you're pro life except if the life of the mother is in danger. Would you be for an exception for rape?

It's way more than a few on your side. And that is simply not true. Numbers and facts don't lie, and in districts with more comprehensive sex education there are fewer unplanned pregnancies and abortions. There's a reason states in the Bible Belt lead the country in abortions. A few years ago Colorado piloted a program where uninsured and underinsured teens were given IUDs for free for several years. Unplanned pregnancies dropped by 60% and abortions by 40% in that age bracket. You would think the pro life republicans would have jumped for joy. Nope, the second they got control of the senate in CO the defunded the program. Why would they do that if it's about saving babies? Because it's not about saving babies, it's about punishing young women for having sex.

Many actually don't know how to properly avoid pregnancy. Abstinence only education is more responsible for abortions than anything. There are plenty of people who have no idea how to reliably prevent pregnancy. If you really want to see abortions decrease you would be an avid supporter of comprehensive sex education.

Was it a cakewalk for your wife? I thought you said it was an extremely difficult process at least emotionally. I would argue that it's one of the hardest things women do, and far from painless.

Well parents can want in one hand and s#%* in the other. Many kids will wait, but many will not. Best arm them with as much information as possible so if they decide to become sexually active they can be smart about it.

 

There was a time when you could see evidence that government money was building up the infrastructure of the country, but I agree that is harder to find in modern times. However, i see it as more reason to keep the government out of the decision.

You said "I am telling you that the only thing stopping a woman from aborting her children is that strong laws must be in force or she will have abortions." I cannot accept that as truth because most pregnant women choose to have the child. I can believe that is true about some women, and I believe you have encountered at least one such woman in your life. I agree it would be evil for a woman to get an abortion just to hurt the father, and we would all like to see evil people punished... but we should not pass laws that punish all women just so we can punish the few who are evil.

For example, there have probably been cases of a person luring an enemy into their home late at night so they could shoot and kill that enemy (claiming self-defense). It does NOT follow that we should change the law to make it illegal to use a gun to defend yourself in your own home.

You realize by now that I view the unborn fetus as an empty vessel until nearly the end of the pregnancy.

From that perspective, I believe society puts too much weight and condemnation on those who get an abortion. For some women this leads to soul-crushing guilt and self-hate. For a few women, it gives them a bigger stick to use as a weapon when they try to transfer that guilt to the man. In many cases (coercion and rape) it could be justified, but again I do not advocate punishing all males for the sins of a few. It is that inappropriate level of guilt that causes a lot of the emotional damage that pro-life groups choose to blame on abortion.

 

So you have no answers and only want to converse with people who agree with your silly ideas.....Yes, for some facts are hard to face...

 

Robert:""" perhaps off the forum you are a decent person.

From things you say, I won't say you are decent.

But clearly you are a major detraction""".


Those are the only insults I have seen......

 

It was not your call.

Obviously the woman did not want to have your your child.

AA

 

From all that off topic rambling I pulled this :

"""I put the baby or unborn rights as equal to the mother. """



NO, you do NOT.

YOU want the fetus to have MORE rights than the woman or anyone else.

YOU want to give the fetus the right to use another person's body to sustain their own life.


NO one else has that right.

 

You wish to control whether or not a woman can have an abortion yet you take absolutely no responsibility for knocking up a woman.

AA

 

It always get's me laughing when people like Robert who have absolutely no issue with a couple who are having a had time getting pregnant go to a Fertility Clinic to do so........at the same time hypocritically scream that a Fertilized Egg is a Baby.

LOL!!!

AA

 

Rape .... women should be held harmless over rape. They are the victim. If they get pregnant, and this is my personal view, any pregnancy should lawfully be terminated. This does not contradict my other comments. This is a very special case.

I am not able to argue with you about sex education or no sex education.

Parents worry that the kids will feel safe to have sex and by that reason engage in far more sex.

Let me give you an analogy.

Say the parent desired the children become outstanding shop lifters.

They talked the school into having experts teach the kids law, systems to be great shop lifters and all the techniques.

Do you think there would be more shop lifting or less?

Parents concern is that they want their kids to not have battle scars of being promiscuous. Promiscuity has vastly increased even if pregnancy declines. Sex is not doing teens a bit of good. Teens won't agree of course But we call them parents for a great reason.

Johnny Jones, (real name) had parents that approved their son bedding girls at their home. I was told by the mom that she preferred it in her home than in some car. But of course the girls parents were not able to give me their views.I just got his parents views. By the way, all Johnny wanted of the girls was sex. He never cared about any the girls. I know he would have sex with 3 girls the same day.

Promiscuous living never makes people happy. They feed animal urges but in the path of life, they do not end up happy. It is similar to drugs. Drugs give short term gains but in the long term lives are harmed.

The abortion I actually approved of was my 1st wife. We were very concerned that the baby would have serious blood problems and at that moment, she had a good job and did not wish to have more kids. We had one daughter but we got married with her having a boy and girl. Bob her oldest son came by here yesterday to take me out to a very nice lunch. Bob is not too far from retiring.

We did not take my wife to an abortionist mill. We went to a hospital where the abortion happened. Her abortion was back in the 1970s and I can't recall precise details you asked. I forget how long it took her to recover. She has alzheimer's today so she can't tell me.

When it comes to government paying for childrens sex toys, it seems to me that is a sign the government approves loose morals.

Similar in scope to teaching children the best ways to shoplift.

Sexually active teen girls become sexually active wives who will have sex with men they come into contact with.

When husband learns what his wife does, what do you think his options are?

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Just ask me. It is uncool to tell a forum what poster X believes or poster Y.

Your remark confuses me.

 

Yes there was a time in this country when it was legal for one human being to own and enslave another human being. That has been corrected and I think we all agree that was the right thing to do. Now some people want to enslave women for nine months to operate as human incubators and I think most of us agree that would be wrong. When the government forces a woman to continue an unwanted pregnancy, the government is violating her rights just as much as the rapist you referenced in the 20/20 item.

Is the baby human prior to birth? I believe the fetus is alive and has human DNA, but it is incomplete. Through most of the pregnancy the fetus is an empty vessel (just as my body will be an empty vessel after my brain dies).

 

I am simply telling you my views. I don't spend a moment of my life telling women what to do. My words will not matter to the promiscuous. The people who agree with me already do. Those who do not agree won't change their minds. This in short is chit chat on a particular topic.

To claim that I never took responsibility for knocking women up is just a misunderstanding by you since I need more from you before I say you lied. But your comment is not true.

 

I know that is your view. Do you believe when women abort, they walk away with no feelings of guilt?

 

Posts like that upset me. They focus not on the topic, but on the particular poster.

They inflame.

They are constructed as an attack.

And to boot, the arguments made are just what a person can make all during the child's life until it becomes a legal adult. But they never see the flaws of their arguments.

 

Sadly you are correct. The relationship went from devoted by both parties, to a on and off type, to a I lived with her type, to she was fooling around type till I abandoned her.

 

What she did ended up badly. She became promiscuous. I bailed out on her.

When two people are in a relationship, acts by one impacts on the other. She became very unreliable.

 

Ya, you admitted you didn't use a condom while blaming the woman for not taking responsibility for getting pregnant....

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Which has nothing to do with abortion and nothing to do with any other woman...

 

I don't want to post in a way to pass judgement on all women. But some women are evil. But that is a far cry from trying to make a case all of them are. A lot of women are wonderful.

When i say she conceived, I say it in the context she has the baby in her body. The man never has the baby in his body. I figured it was clear, but oh well.

Sex only to have babies? Nope.

If you compare sex to driving a car, what would I say? I have no reply.

Condoms are not worse than abortions. You got the wrong idea.

Clearly you have yet to wear a condom to realize how pathetic they are.

To give you an idea, take a new condom and before you eat a good meal, put it over your own tongue.

Try to taste the food.

 

So are you telling me you appose Fertility Clinics?


I am HAPPY that you have finally clarified your position that you have no issue with a rape victim getting an abortion.

But as far as your analogy kid's today have the internet and are way ahead of us as far as sexual knowledge.

And the Genie cannot be put back in the bottle.

If you truly want to dramatically lower the number of abortions then you should back educating boys and girls before they can reproduce about birth control, abstinence, STD's and ESPECIALLY how to get and use Plan B and Morning After drugs.

If kids were properly educated to this we could lower the total number of abortions a year by over 90%.

AA

 

Maybe some do....and that's NO one's business but their's. Some have no guilt whatsoever and that's their business, not yours.

 

My reply was directed at your belief that the woman or women you knocked up had somehow done something wrong by aborting an unwanted pregnancy.

You are vilifying the women or woman and yet YOU are to blame for their pregnancy.

AA

 

Some women are evil????

UGHH!!

Sure we could say some men and some women are evil but in this case you are directly associating the word evil to women who do not agree with your ideology.

AA

 

""""YOU want the fetus to have MORE rights than the woman or anyone else.

YOU want to give the fetus the right to use another person's body to sustain their own life.


NO one else has that right. """

It's quite legal to ask questions of posters in here, it's not against the rules.

Just because you can't answer the questions or they make you uneasy doesn't mean they are an attack.

You could just respond ON TOPIC to the topic instead of whining....