There is something I'm not understanding about the right wing Afghanistan narrative...

Well said.

 

The same "far-right wingnuts" that leftists said hated Trump for 4 years? Hilarious!!

 

Trump negotiated with the Taliban last year so they had a long "heads up" to prepare for exactly what we see happening. To think Trump isn't partially responsible is very myopic.

I've already stated more than 2,987,654 times that Biden messed up bad. I want our men, women and allies home yesterday and any more blood shed because of his decision to take bad advice from somebody or make a bad call is on his hands. I've never denied that and I won't.

 

Biden could have sent troops in and done this differently. The buck stops with him.

 

Stupid Xoe is his own bash machine. If it’s not inflation it’s gas price increase on his watch. It’s him going on vacay during his whole fiasco. Or him coming out from under his rock and making a speech about covid and only covid and not taking questions, then slithering back under his rock, while we worry about thousands of fellow Americans getting out of Afghan.
Or the open sieve on the southern border letting in thousands every day with countless with covid.
Delta out of control when he said he would get covid under control by July.

Xiden is a complete failure and Nancy should think seriously about opening impeachment charges against him before he has a chance to do more stupid.

 

Did you complain about Trump for 4 years? Same thing.

I don't think he realizes which side you are on.

 

No this was bungled by both Trump and Biden. Neither side can blame the other without carrying a share of that blame themselves. If they try to do so, they are lying. That includes voters and supporters who try to defend and excuse them.

 

Can you explain why we can't talk about Trump because he's been gone since January (7 months tomorrow) but he lost the election in November 2020 (10 months ago) and won't shut up?

What's the difference? Are we only allowed to go back in time because he's a narcissist that can't except his loss?

 

That is my point as well. It's not a Trump rant. He negotiated with terrorists. I'm sure that was only possible because he's a domestic terrorists so birds of a feather flock together and all that jazz.

Biden screwed up. Big time. I want our men, women and allies home NOW.

 

Trump is a domestic terrorist? More ButTrumpism.

 

At the risk of being redundant on this topic I think it's fair to say the failure to adequately prepare for the chaos that ensued over the last week has to do with the intel Gen. Milley said the admin had. Do you really think they would not have increased the troop level as they are doing now if they had anticipated the speed with which the Taliban has taken over?

 

American civilians who haven't left most definitely should have planned earlier how they were going to leave.

 

Come on, arguing and criticizing is one thing; spewing idiocies doesn't improve your arguments!

 

Biden and the other lemmings went over the cliff together.
Biden’s ‘team of sycophants’ enabled his Afghanistan disaster
Opinion by Marc A. Thiessen

". . . Far from a team of rivals, Biden has surrounded himself with a team of sycophants and enablers who share his worst instincts. Blinken is an ideologue who has been working toward a full Afghanistan withdrawal since he joined the Obama administration in 2009. Ditto for national security adviser Jake Sullivan. But others such as Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin and Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Mark A. Milley knew better. Why didn’t one of them have the courage to do what Mattis did, and resign rather than carry out a policy they knew — or should have known — would lead to the disaster we see unfolding?

In his speech seven years ago, McCain noted that former defense secretary Robert M. Gates famously said Biden has been “wrong on nearly every major foreign policy and national security issue over the past four decades.”

He did not make those blunders — or this one — alone."

 

I agree. You’d have to be an idiot to trust anything Joe Biden says.

 

I said as much in another post.

 

One has to wonder, even from a political perspective, what Biden is thinking (other than "when is my next sponge bath?") - why he wouldn't be on TV 24/7 talking about bringing every American home...

 

Apparently, 10,000 Americans who are still there.

 

Not unrelentingly, I didn't.

They are quite different figures. Trump relentlessly shared every thought that he had and dominated the new cycle every single day. Both in America and around the world. In contrast you barely hear from Biden. It's more like an "administration".

 

There were some who objected, but they stayed anyway, so they associated themselves with the debacle.
Will Biden’s foreign policy team recover from the Afghanistan debacle?
Opinion by David Ignatius

". . . Biden’s problem on Afghanistan was partly that it was too personal. He remained peeved after 2009, when as vice president his advice for a limited counterterrorism force there was rejected by Barack Obama. When Biden became president, he was determined to get the remaining 2,500 troops out of the country. As military leaders pressed him to keep that force, Biden only dug in his heels.

Gen. Austin “Scott” Miller, the last U.S. commander in Afghanistan, warned Biden that “it’s going to be bad and it’s going to be fast,” according to one friend of Miller’s. Biden was worried, but he didn’t budge.

Biden offered a tangled and somewhat misleading explanation for his decisions in an interview Wednesday with ABC’s George Stephanopoulos. He claimed that his military advisers didn’t argue for keeping the 2,500 troops in Afghanistan. That’s not true; Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin and Gen. Mark A. Milley, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, urged him to keep the force in place. But they warned him he might have to send more troops if the Taliban decided to escalate. . . . "

 

You know that if Biden told "the truth" back whenever it was (assuming anyone knew for sure at that time that the Taliban would sweep through so quickly), he would have been absolutely pillared for it.

Damned if he did and damned if he didn't.

 

They’re paying the price for the making the mistake of putting their trust in Team Joe, not for operating under the delusion that the Taliban wouldn’t take back control eventually.

 

Whoever or whatever the reason, they didn't leave. Something ties them to Afghanistan; my guess is money.

 

I recall Biden saying there was no indication the Afghan army would collapse like it did, so yes it was not expected. You are just trying to cover for Biden like a typical partisan hack

 

I base my opinions on facts. Not on the opinions of others.

If any high level military or intelligence officials had a different strategy BEFORE this was executed (anything after is hindsight), they should have spoken then.

This is an ongoing situation. I am completely sure that something will go wrong tomorrow, or the day after, or a week or month from now. But if nobody can foresee it today (or they foresee it but don't speak up) there is not much anybody can do about it. Other than just send back more troops to retake the country and stay there forever.