There is something I'm not understanding about the right wing Afghanistan narrative...

So now you are claiming it is the civilians, even those who worked for the US government, should have planned earlier. Now, Biden has no responsibility?

 

He's already admitted that the buck stops with him. I agree that sending more troops there to prepare for the final evacuation could have made it different; but a lot more troops would have been necessary to ensure the safety of Americans and our allies, as can be witnessed today.

Imagine the uproar if Biden had decided to do that!

 

What does "like it did" mean? What difference does it make how it would collapse?

BTW, did you expect the President of the United States to say publicly what everybody knew? That the Taliban would take over the country when we left? That would have meant turning over the country even before he finished his speech.

 

Sounds like victim blaming. Are we victim blaming?

 

But @Golem has assured us all Americans who want to be evacuated, have been...
And remember, he does all this "research" and stuff before posting such a claim.

So you must be mistaken!

 

Either you accept the notion the evacuation plan was predicated on the belief the Taliban would not take over the country so quickly or you don't. If you do it isn't partisan to point out the culprit for the events of the last week is largely an intel failure, not a planning failure.

 

Silly Americans, probably thought their government would give them plenty of warning and not leave them to the ''mercy'' of the Taliban.

If you people still support Biden after this, you have no business calling yourself an American citizen.

 

Or family, heritage. Could be many reasons.

 

I think it was considered to be a very low probability scenario. They were expecting it could collapse by Christmas.

 

It is the Commander in Chief, ie. Biden, who is in charge and should have insured that there was a strategy. Not some unknown from the shodows.

 

Lol what? I'm not blaming, much less victim blaming. That's your job.

 

Who says they weren't?

 

I don't remember any single thing Trump did that garnered even remotely the same amount of threads. Even when he took Putin's side against our own intelligence agencies on the global stage, I dont remember the plethora of threads created as for Afghan.

Perhaps overall for many of his antics but not for any single action.

 

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/u-embassy-urges-americans-leave-164204776.html
https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/12/politics/us-citizens-afghanistan/index.html

 

That's because he did not leave TEN THOUSAND AMERICAN CITIZENS on their own in a hostile country, after cowardly fleeing and pretty much leaving OUR military hardware in enemy hands.

You can say what might have happened under Trump but you can't change that.

 

The comment I’m speaking of was after the take over. So yes it blind sighted him along with many other higher officials.

 

I was under the impression...

1. These people had been warned to evacuate previously.

2. Biden was keeping a military presence there to facilitate further evacuation.

 

From your first link....

"However, the Embassy reiterates that U.S. citizens should leave Afghanistan as soon as possible using available commercial transportation and not plan to rely on U.S. government flights,” the alert added.

From your second link....


"The U.S. Embassy urges U.S. citizens to leave Afghanistan immediately using available commercial flight options,"

So basically, they told them you are on your own. Do you assume commercial means of travel are easily available to Americans in a country in chaos as we tuck tail and abandon them?

I certainly hope you have not offered these links as "evidence" to support your entirely fabricated claim that "all Americans who want to leave, have left" because neither of your links remotely back your false claim...

Time to change that sig line.

 

Who says there wasn't a strategy?

A lot of things are still likely to go bad. That's unavoidable regardless of the strategy. Only way to avoid them would have been to not go into Afghanistan in the first place. Or stay there forever.

My question is, from what was known before the withdrawal was there something that could have been accounted for? As I said on the OP, I don't think it was anticipated how unwilling the Afghan army would be to try to stop the Taliban. But I don't think that made much of a difference. Even if they knew, what could they have done that would make any difference?

 

How much warning do you think they had?

https://www.nationalreview.com/news...d-americas-longest-war-in-afghanistan-speech/

We didn't leave Americans at the mercy of the Taliban. Your hatred for Biden, or something else (I wonder what), is clouding your ability to think for yourself.

 

I dunno, it sounded an awful lot like victim blaming. Like you were suggesting that Americans were trapped in Afghanistan because they’re greedy for money, and not because of Joe Biden’s botched withdrawal.

Do you still think it was their own greedy faults maybe, or not?

 

Golem was nice enough to provide this info....

"However, the Embassy reiterates that U.S. citizens should leave Afghanistan as soon as possible using available commercial transportation and not plan to rely on U.S. government flights,” the alert added.

They were "warned" they were on their own.
Any military presence there is completely inadequate to facilitate safe evacuation.

This will go down in history as the shame of America. Not only do we abandon allies but many thousands of our OWN DAMN CITIZENS.

I hope you people are happy with your vote....but hey, no more mean tweets...

 

When you are unable to debate content, go for the adhom, instead.

Who gives a flying fck how much warning they had? Does that excuse abandoning 10 thousand Americans to almost certain death?

So much for "no man left behind".......Biden is a sorry excuse for a human. He would not make a good sack of feces.

 

I don't know what specifically you are referring to, but anything that blind sighted them could not possibly be accounted for. So it's not what I'm talking about. I'm referring to things that were known and, for that reason, could have been avoided.

 

How about get the thousands of Americans out of the country BEFORE hauling ass and arming the Taliban with so many of our weapons? Not even the French ever looked like such cowards.