There was Adam and Eve..... and Cain

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  1. Wolverine

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    So there was Adam and Eve, the two people responsible for the human race. They had two sons. One kills the other, yada yada, leaving one.

    Adam, Eve, and Cain.

    Soooooo..... there are three people. How did the rest of the human race come to be from those three people? Being interesting to see the justification for incest.
     
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    It is clear that at the time of Cain's murder of Abel, there were other people in the world besides Adam and Eve. There is no way to explain how this happened. Perhaps it is best to remember that its a religious story and not historical fact.
     
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    Where did those people come from?
     
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    There is no way to know. Perhaps Cain and Abel never even existed. It's a story, meant to convey a lesson about God and his relationship to mankind.
     
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    Seems kind of odd to throw in a whole population of people with the supposedly only two people on earth.

    Maybe its not an honest relationship?
     
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    Well, I've already answered your question.
     
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    You are referring to the pre-Adamic races in Genesis 1:26-32, or the 6th day races that existed all over the earth prior to Adam being formed (Genesis 2:7). The theory is that the 6th day races were evolved while 7th day man (Adam) was fully formed as a divine creature to rule the cosmos but after the fall was given 'human skins' (literally made like the 6th day men) so that he would suffer and die like us. It was after the fall that Adam and Eve bore sons (Cain & Abel). Cain found his wife from among the 6th day races already populating the earth.
     
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    Its creation myth .. NOT science or history.

    Cain was marked to protect him from all those other people after he was exiled..

    Adam and Eve went on to have Seth..
     
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    Quite so. The only important question here is why certain peculiar sects in the USA decided suddenly - unlike all previous Christian generations - to treat it as if it were science or history, and did that at pretty much the same time they stopped paying any attention to the Sermon on the Mount.
     
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    I think literalism took hold during the Depression and Dust Bowl years.. It took a long time to make the Scofield heresy mainstream.
     
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    I'm well aware its a myth, I just find it interesting that Eve and Cain would have had to committed incest to propagate the human race.

    But now I hear that other races were thrown into the mix. lol
     
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    The creation story is cobbled together from several jewish versions ..

    In some Adam and Eve are separated for 130 years... as punishment.

    So Adam sleeps with Lilith and gives birth to demons.
     
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    Incest is a man-made law.. law according to socioscience (my coined word).
    Also, it would be beneficial to you to continue reading that book of Genesis... a little further along, you would find that Adam and Eve had sons and daughters, and then there was the command given to A&E instructing them to be fruitful and multiply (I wonder -- do you suppose that command simply meant to USE Mathematics?).
     
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    The earth was populated thousands of years before Adam and Eve.

    Archeologists have uncovered ancient cities, temples and granaries dating to 11,000 and 12,0000 BC.

    Throwing incest into the story is nonsense.

    No where does it say any of them married their sisters.
     
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    Oh? Science has found remains that can be definitively said to be that of A&E? If you are basing your opinion on what the Bible says, then you must also be showing a belief or dependency on what the Bible says and must likewise afford the Bible with validity.

    As for the 'throwing incest into the story',,,, look at the post that I was responding to... Throw that little issue in the face of that person, not me. Also, unless the appearance of man and woman was a multi-faceted event (more than one person appearing at or about the same time in the same geographical location) then incest would have been a necessity anyway. So where really did the incest idea originate as being something morally wrong..? In the mind of man and was then formed into restrictive laws. So much for the morality of evolution.
     
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    Fruitful and multiply........ so its not so much incest with the mother, but incest with the siblings?
     
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    Genesis is Creation Myth.. not history.

    There are cities, granaries and temples that date to 11,000 BC.

    Incest is YOUR construct.
     
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    lol

    What science says this? lol
     
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    So, then you are actually comparing history with what you call a myth? Interesting comparison. Is that the normal procedure in the scientific or non-theistic operations? You say to yourself "well we can't justify this in this manner, so we will compare it to what we can call a myth and make it sound more plausible."? Wow... that is really some way to validate something.

    Are you suggesting that "incest" was never mentioned prior to me being born? Another amazing construct of your mind... you really should do more reading on 'history' especially the history of words. Just for the record, I was conceived sometime in the year 1948 and was born in 1949.. now was incest around prior to 1948 or 1949?
     
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    Every culture has a creation myth..

    Incest is not part of the Genesis story.. If it were it would say so.

    Why try to apply LOGIC to mythos?
     
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    you have to be kidding? Do they really have a creation myth? I am not surprised, considering that there are no physically living eyewitnesses to that event.

    http://www.politicalforum.com/4352889-post11.html
    Like I said,,, if you want to blame someone for introducing the subject of incest being in this thread, then take it to the source.. see link above.

    Good question. Who do Atheists and non-Theists attempt to apply logic to what is considered by them as 'mythos'? Sounds to me like those sort of individuals are not being very logical.
     
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    People like to pick and choose their way thru a myth.. We know that Adam and Eve is one of several Jewish creation myths.. Why try to apply logic to any of them?

    Do you think Adam and Eve were 90 feet tall or that they lived hundreds of years?

    We know the Temple at Baalbeck which served as a model for Solomon's Temple dates to 9,000 BC.
     
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    Adam and Eve are no myth. They are and were real people.

    Why should anyone say they are 90' tall?

    No, your 'mistaken' again. The temple was gotten from David. And God gave the instructions to David.

    Quantrill
     
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    One of the Jewish creation myths claims that Adam and Eve were separated by God for 130 years after the fall and that Adam slept with Lilith to give birth to demons and disease.

    Another claims they were 90 feet tall.

    Which of these do you consider factual or inspired by God?
     
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    I believe the account given in the Bible.

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