This Country May Have Become the First in the World to Ban Islam

It is most definitely a religion by any definition of the word. Kill the Jihadists, leave the rest of them alone.

 

the Muslim God is also the Jewish God is also the Christian God is also the Mormon God, all one and then same, sort of like water in it's different forms

what they should be banning is dangerous religious fanatics period, regardless of the religion

by saying one only cares when one religions does it... they are basically saying I do not care if this other one does it

I mean what are they gonna do... pull a Hitler?

just my 2 cents


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Somebody who reads dictionaries.

In other words you're so ashamed of the links (if they exist at all), you're afraid to post them.

 

The Crusades were a RESPONSE to 477 years of marauding Muslims killing millions of people on 3 continents. S for the other stuff, all of it combined is a drop in the bucket, compared to the 270 million killed by Muslims over 1400 years.

I haven't seen anyone supporting religious repression in this thread. What are you referring to ? (unless you're talking about supporters of Islam, who certainly ARE supporting religious repression, if not extermination.)

 

sure Hitler would have some excuse for his actions too.... doesn't make him any better for it... he still did those bad things no mater what his justification was in his own mind


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So then, what does qualifies as a religion in your dictionary?

 

Who said anything about overturning the 1st Amendment (or anything about the 1st Amendment at all) ? It has nothing to do with banning Islam.

 

You said in the OP you liked seeing Islam be repressed and outlawed, so you fit the bill exactly.

 

Many of them also support a partial overturn (or least another exception to) the 1st Amendment, in response to the pleas from Islamist loons to ban criticism of Islam.

 

That's a great point. Many progressives get red in the face and use the 1st amendment as their crutch in debates like these, but they would gladly make criticism of Islam a crime, like it is in Europe, if they had their way.

The hypocrisy simply can't be matched.

 

I don't know about that (I don't think you do either) Seems to me NOTHING trumps the Supremacy Clause. You think some religious crazies would be allowed to be declared supreme above everything, including the Constitution ? No. I don't think so.

Are you following the thread ? > I, et al, must have stated it 30 times by now that Islam is NOT a religion. Fuuny how so many people keep talking about religion.

 

Theological jibber-jabber is always open to interpretation and often times contradictory. That's why there are so many different sects claiming to be the one "true" religion in Christianity, Judaism, and Islam.

The stupid and uneducated part comes in when you attribute specific acts of violence to the "Muslim world", as if everyone who was a Muslim had some kind of material connection to the violence. It's always "they" did this and the "Muslim World" did that. You're talking about millions and millions of individual people who don't even agree on what a real "Muslim" is, let alone if the US should be attacked by such and such a group. But this kind of collective demonization comes natural to you. You've got lumping people into groups down to a pseudoscience.

And as I've already shown you, there are predominately Muslim countries that have an overall favorable view of the US, so if "Islam" is some kind of existential threat to the US, then how do you explain Islamic countries that view us favorably? How do you explain the difference in favorability between Lebanese Sunni Muslims (66% favorable) and Lebanese Shia Muslims (9%)?

I'm not dodging your question. It's just too vague to actually answer without engaging in simplistic thinking and generalizations. If you want to provide specific examples of such attacks, then I'd be glad to address them.

That "long history" is just an accumulation of specific events and individuals. I can't really explain something unless you provide a specific example for me to analyze. Referencing some vague attacks that happened at some point in history does nothing to undermine my claim that present-day anti-American extremism is caused in large part by our intervention in the region.

 

I often think about that..

There had to be Germans who were in h*ll over the demonization of the Jews...knowing full well that it was a pack of lies. I mean they had Jewish neighbors, Jewish doctors and shopkeepers..

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Yeah but you aren't very bright. Scholars recognize Islam as an Abrahamic religion. Who knows what career security guards think.

 

Actually, Brewskier and I are continually defending the 1st Amendment form Islamist lunatics, who would bury it the first chance they get. The only reference to the Constitution that I've been making, is Article 6, Section 2, the Supremacy Clause. The 1st amendment is irrelevant to Islam, except for what I just said.

 

I am simply trying to understand your reasoning for why Islam is not a religion. Why are you being so defensive and help enlighten me about your stance on the matter. I'm at work and searching through 12+ pages for your posts exclusively is rather difficult. Though this is what I have found so far.

This is what you quoted from the Webster dictionary. But aside from that, I have yet to find anything from you that discredits Islam as a religion other than your own personal feelings on the matter. (and the constant misuse of the Supremacy Clause as well)

 

Islam preaches to give to the poor. How is that hateful?

 

You shoot yourself in the foot. There's a comparison all right, and the similarity is very clear > between Nazis and Muslims. Both are Jew haters. Both have a world conquest goal. Both support violence and mass killing. Both are totalitarian and intolerant. And lastly, didn't you know. Part of Hitler's Waffen SS was a Muslim unit. Arabs, led by the Mufti of Jerusalem Haj Amin Al-husseini, were strongly pro-Nazi, and later in the war there were Albanian Muslim SS units.

In Caucasus, an all-Islam army, composed of Azeris, Ajars, and other Caucasian Muslims, assist the Turkish army under Nuri Pasha, who was known for his Pan-Turanian ideas. They besieged many non-Muslims towns in Caucasus that refused surrender to them and starved it into submissions. Some of them implicated with the massacres of Armenians.

The same thing developed in Central Asia. In Kokand, a free government of Turkestan was proclaimed, while the emirs of Khiva and Bukhara asserted their independence.

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There's much less variation in Islam. No major sect practiced by any significant amount of Muslims believes that apostasy isn't a crime that deserves the death penalty, or that Jews, Christians, and non-believers are the equals of Muslims in society, or that these groups can rule over Muslims, etc. The Qur'an and the laws derived from the Qur'an are quite clear. The variations you allude to are more of a reflection on the battle between strict Islamic adherence and secular/Western influence. That does not, however, mean that Islam is somehow benign.

People group things all the time. It's how we come to learn about the world. It's part of human nature. If 8 out of 10 things share a certain characteristic, it isn't irrational or unintelligent to group those 10 things together, even though 2 of those things may not have that characteristic. Groups share common characteristics. Here we have a religion whose core belief system is based on violence, warfare, and conquest. Considering how deep religious belief runs, it is not irrational or unintelligent to assume that people are going to be influenced by the violent commands that are essentially a core part of the religion. If it was all just a randomized group of individuals like you seem to believe it is, then we would be seeing the same kind of behavior out of every group, yet for some really weird reason, we seem to only find this Islamically inspired violence in groups of Muslims.

That same question can be turned around on you. If foreign policy is the reason we are hated, why would Sunni Muslims in Lebanon be in favor of the US while Lebanese Shia Muslims aren't?

"Favorably" about a country is not very specific or useful information. We do know that large double digit percentages of Muslims believe that suicide bombing is justified, that violence to protect Islam is justified, that infidels have no right to rule over Muslims, and these are just the Muslims willing to admit to it in the West. These are questions that are more related to Islamic religious teachings than they are to politics.

I've been very specific, even naming countries where Muslims have launched jihadist attacks. You just don't want to answer because you clearly prefer blaming the West for the problems that occur in the 3rd world.

It undermines it more than you'd ever admit. During the days of Thomas Jefferson western sailors were attacked by the Barbary Pirates. The explanation they gave on why they were attacking had nothing to do with US foreign policy or Israel. So what was it? Islamophobia? Cultural Marxism simply can't explain the history of Muslim aggression.

 

THAT wouldn't be. But THESE would >>

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And THESE >>

"God's curse be upon the infidels! Evil is that for which they have bartered away their souls. To deny God's own revelation, grudging that He should reveal His bounty to whom He chooses from among His servants! They have incurred God's most inexorable wrath. An ignominious punishment awaits the unbelievers." (Koran 2:89-2:90, "The Cow," Dawood, p. 13)

"I shall cast terror into the hearts of the infidels. Strike off their heads, strike off the very tips of their fingers."(Koran 8:12, "The Spoils," Dawood, p. 177)

"Prophet, make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their home: an evil fate." (Koran 9:73, "Repentance," Dawood, p. 19

"Believers, make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Deal firmly with them. Know that God is with the righteous." (Koran 9:123, "Repentance," Dawood, p. 206)

 

Your opinion of Islam is unimportant. Security guards are not religious authorities on anything.

Have you ever heard of Beth Din?

It hasn't been a problem in a hundred years.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beth_din

 

Our Constitution has been dead for while now.

 

This kind of clueless "analysis" of world history is painful to imagine hat it really IS the basis of the Right Wing's stulted and brainless foreign policy.

It is so amazing how many Americans have seen movies like "Lawrence of Arabia" and never given a moment's thought of what the imperialistic and exploitative war and ripoff and betrayals by the West would feel like to the local peoples.

Uh, perhaps some world history education would help you get answers to your questions - the USA's rape of lands and people in Central South America involved almost NO "Muslims", but they did "fight back" before we massacred their lands, lives , and spirits.

And the USA's extremely expedient, vicious and implacable torture, terrorism, repression and large scale murder of the local populations did eventually kept the "fighting back" to a minimum, although even then still such "Freedom Lovers" like Ronald Reagan sold advanced weapons to Muslims in order to get cash to buy weapons and support for USA "freedom Fighters" who would blow up public buildings and assassinate local politicians, priests and nuns who might comment against the USA's policies in South America.

 

Everything Islam stands for is contrary to American culture and our Constitution.

 

Oh my.. do you really feel that way?

 

I am a pro-Israeli Jew and proud Zionist who longs for peace in the region and hope that some day the Palestinians can get their act together to make it happen. The idea of banning Islam is, in my mind, a crime against humanity. The sheer ignorance of so many people when it comes to Islam and Muslims is stunning to me. There have been Muslims in the US since before there was a US. They have helped build the country, fought for the country, died for the country and suffered severe hardships to become citizens when they immigrated from lands that persecuted them and grew into a prosperous minority. They are part of the pillar of this country and so many ignorant people seem to think that these patriotic Americans are some how the enemy of America. I would have to say the greatest threat to our country is the proliferation of nonsense to a mass of people who will believe anything they are told. It is sad.