This did not come about by chance...

Calculate those right circumstances even for one living cell. I hope you have a calculator with a lot of numerals.

 

100%.

AboveAlpha

 

100% you are wrong? Sure, you win the prize.

 

It didn't. It evolved. And evolution is not a random process.

 

Then I say nope. It's really neither. It's not by chance, because there has to be conditions met in order for it to happen. It's not by design either, because it doesn't follow any pattern, just randomness.

 

You obviously have never studied how to calculate probabilities.

Question....Does life exist? Answer...yes.

Question....Does any evidence upon any level exist that would back the concept of an Intelligent Designed?

Answer....No.

Question.....What is the probability that LIFE will be generated when the existing Elements upon Earth also exist upon a similar world in the GOLDILOCKS ZONE thus existing under the same conditions?

Answer....Probability exists at 100%.

AboveAlpha

 

The Generation of Life exists in the same manner that when a large enough amount of matter groups together via Gravity that the existing Gravity Well will be sufficient to generate enough internal compression to create temps. necessary for Hydrogen to fuse into Helium.

The Generation of Life is pretty much the same.

AboveAlpha

 

Well yeah. It's not like life can randomly appear out of nowhere. There are conditions that have to be met first.

 

This is so for everything in existence.

AboveAlpha

 

Finding patterns and/or complexity doesn't mean finding God.

It's not surprising that we find patterns all over the place - having one set of laws of physics (which then drives chemistry and biology) assures that.

And, our universe is unimaginably gigantic, so the experiments in abiogenesis have been carried out on gigantic numbers of planets over billions of years - enough to take care of some pretty long odds, as Alpha points out.

 

Nano scale is not atom scale. You have to start at atom scale (you can ask yourself, how and why are atoms formed) Two or more atoms forms a molecule, and so on. So life began at molecule level.
Chemical processes and the Sun's energy for a few billion years.
You can believe two things, the intelligent designer was nature (universe) or an other intelligent designer.
When there is no full proof or evidence, the matter stays a believe, and when things stay a believe it can become even orthodox. Topics like this can move into theology (endless opposite, antagonistic and contradictory thoughts and idea, this is like a war between two minds, no winners, it's like a chess game when two kings remain, a draw)

 

Because it would give you more credibility when arguing against someone else's.


At least according to common sense speaking.
Feel free to ignore it.

 

I didn't watch much of that but I've seen many videos like it. DNA itself, is so incredibly complex, that the idea it was all started by some... uh... "big bang" accident, is utterly ridiculous.

Won't stay to argue, because that's what they do, not me. And I know what each and everyone of them will say already.

Good post.

 

What process do you claim drives evolution?

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Then explain why if you found a iPad on the beach you would not think it evolved from sand, but these more complex molecular machines are.

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Would you agree that these patterns are ruled by laws of physics, chemistry, etc.?

 

It what process in the universe does the Sun decrease entropy? (Photosynthesis still requires the structures and chemicals to be present before it functions in a plant.)

 

Yeah, I've been to this dance before too. I just like to watch them vomit all over themselves to try to explain the unexplainable in their worldview.

Grab some popcorn and enjoy the show.

 

These sound like the robotic-like ppl who take the 'romance' out of sex and describe it as merely an evolutionary exchange of bodily fluids.

I mean, "Fly me to the moon and let me dance among the stars..."...really!

It's much easier being 2-dimensional and not looking for the 'beyond' meaning in life...

 

The odds of dna arising from a primordial soup is greater than the number of molecules in the known universe. So, you need lots of faith to believe that it did, without some intelligence force being involved. And that is why scientific based atheism is a religion. For it is based upon faith.

So, it is so improbable, as to be impossible. But you can have faith that it did of course, as long as you admit you are full of faith.

 

I believe it was Albert Einstein that stated if the mathematical probability of something occurring by chance exceeds 1:10[SUP]25 [/SUP]then it can be considered impossible.

The odds of a single protein evolving by chance from a mud puddle is calculated at 1.2:10[SUP]75[/SUP]

 

Well, I would say that one would expect patterns given that there are laws of physics that apply everywhere.

And, that's what we see - round planets, nuclear suns creating elements from hydrogen, and other patterns traceable to gravity, for example.

But, gravity isn't evidence of God. Gravity is a constant. There isn't evidence of gravity changing in some smart way in order to fabricate something specific.

 

I think it would be a good idea to understand how life began before we assign odds.

Also, that odds calculation doesn't include that fact that there were billions of years and stupendous numbers of planets upon which this experiment was carried out.

 

Science knows from testing, observation and experimentation that an explosion does not produce order and patterns.

 

How it began is not part of the data necessary to calculate the odds of the necessary molecules, proteins, amino acids, needed to make a single living cell.

An equivalent to a living cell formed by chance would be similar to dropping 10 million toothpicks and having them spell out the Gettysburg Address. You may find shapes that look like letters, maybe even a two character word but no more. An exponentially greater happenstance must occur for life to begin from a mud puddle.

 

So, your mistake got pointed out and you are now moving on to your next mistake.

The patterns we see come about due to laws of physics. As the early universe condensed from it's initial form that was too hot for atoms to exist, patterns developed.

Not that it matters for this conversation, but the "big bang" was not an explosion - it was a rapid expansion.

 

You're trying to say that life is unlikely without acknowledging the number of times this experiment was run.

It's like calculating the odds of 50 coin flips all turning up heads and then ignoring that the real issue is whether there could be such a string of heads within billions of coin flips.

Besides, you've given no source for your odds on abiogenesis. So far, you're simply asking people to believe some number you typed.