Three dead in Indiana shooting incident

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  1. Paul8591

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    A shooting incident left three dead in indiana super market. Police is still investigating the cause of shooting. This is again a wakeup call for all of us to make strict laws to control gun violence. More than 80% of deadly shooting among 12 rich countries take place in United States. More than 87% of kids who died in shooting incidence in the world belong to United States.
    This is the right of every citizen to have a save and secure life. Kids needs protection not bullet in their heads. All these things demands that time has come when we should have more tough laws for gun control.We need just common sense laws.
    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...supermarket-shooting-20140115,0,2911223.story
     
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    Dutch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Whom would you like to disarm first?
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    the mentally ill
     
  4. Paul8591

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    We have to disarm everyone. Guns should be off the streets. We can not give guns to the people and then start checking them who is insane or not. Statistics are telling us countries having strict laws for guns have less violence.
     
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    Dutch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You'll have to pry it from my... well, you know how it goes, right?

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    we need stricter laws on who can carry a handgun.

    thats #1.

    we also need universal background checks.
     
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    Which countries would those be. The WHO doesn't put the US in the top two categories of per capita deaths by violence. We are 92nd on the list (http://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/cause-of-death/violence/by-country/)
     
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    None of this flies because we cannot trust our government any more.
     
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    kill_the_troll Banned

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    Who was that poet saying " the blade itself incites to violence "? Don't understimate the wise of the past. Having lots of guns clearly makes people think they bought them for a purpose after all...
     
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    Now you've upset the gun nuts.

    Apparently, those countries are all on the verge of tyranny.... or are "heterogeneous".

    I'm for smart gun control. I don't think that total disarmament will work any time soon because of the constitutionalist extremists who insist that everyone is in mortal danger from government enslavement, the black menace or the poor at all times.
     
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    "We" have to disarm everyone? You got a mouse in your pocket?
     
  12. Paul8591

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    lol, well said. "We" mean our government.
    Anyway this is not possible in near future. What we ( we = replicating government) can do is, very strict control. e.g. No weapons concealed or open in public places. No weapons at or near school area etc
     
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    wrong they have increased violence just decreased gun violence

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    I WILL GIVE UP MY GUNS WHEN IM THE LAST ONE WITH ANY

    I will not allow you to make me defenseless
     
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    No, thats not what the data shows.

    Western industrialized countries with strict gun laws MIGHT have less gun violence, but they do not have less total violence. Australia shows that quite well, they basically banned guns in 1996 and violence increased 44% by 2001, and its still 33% above the pre-ban level.

    The UK, Australia, Canada, all have fewer guns than the US and all have stricter gun laws, but all also have much higher rates of violence, rape, and assault.
     
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    Simple. . . those who hang on to their guns the most and refuse to even consider taking steps to increase control over firearms.

    Those are the LEAST reasonable, and the most likely to "snap."

    And. . .in 1, 2, 3 seconds. . .we will see the proof, just by reading the outrage and the "over my dead body" type of comments that some will make in this thread!
     
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    May their souls rest in peace. May whatever god they believe in look after their souls.

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    May their souls rest in peace. May whatever god they believe in look after their souls.
     
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    Funny how you do not mentioned DEATH BY FIREARM!
    The UK only has "more violence" because the "violent crimes" in the UK includes EVERYTHING, while in the US, they only include a limited number of "assaults"

    In the UK, if a person is intentionally pushed by someone in order to grab her purse. . .THAT registers as a "VIOLENT CRIME," In the US. . .it doesn't!

    Can you understand that. . .or did you know it all along and just avoided mentioning it?
     
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    Control, as you say or want means what? Emotion? No, no dead body is needed but I will suggest that control is never a simple issue as you suggest.

     
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    You disarm the police and military thats on US soil, and I'm down, no guns at all. Till then, I will keep mine.
     
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    As you should......

     
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    Constitutionalists Extremists who insist that everyone is in mortal danger from government enslavement? Do you mean like Patrick Henry, Thomas Jefferson, George Mason, James Madison, Richard Henry Lee? Those Constitutional Extremists?

    Say it ain't so.
     
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    You mean your government. I don't consent to be governed so I don't have one. I don't consent to having my guns taken away either, if I have any. Or being told what to do or not do with them. Especially by your government of murderers, thieves, and liars. Why do you include yourself with that criminal racket?

    Pass all the "laws" you want. Mere possession of a firearm, open, concealed, whatever, is not a crime. It's a right. You can't change that.
     
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    I see the same o' same o' knee jerk suggestions for proposed "gun control". I really hate even beginning to run back through all of the counterpoints, because comprehension does not exist. For example, Adam Lanza had NO guns. What are you gonna' do with the crazy people, once you find out who they are? What are you gonna' do when they kill their own mother to obtain hers?
    But I'm wide open to INTELLIGENT suggestions. The first ingredient of an intelligent suggestion is that it does not involve penalizing the vast majority of responsible, innocent gun owners. Maybe I need to make this my sig line:
    We DO NOT need "gun control". We NEED criminal control. I'll reiterate that you're not allowed to criminalize innocent, free American Citizens.
    Have at it.....
     
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    Did you read and think a moment before simply cutting and pasting?

    All of those individual crime types are recorded - murder, attempted murder, kidnapping, assault without serious injury, assault with serious injury, etc. The category of "violent crime" is nothing more than the sum of selected crimes. Add the data for the crimes of murder, attempted murder, rape, robbery, assault with serious bodily injury (rape might be sexual assault 1, or some other name, but you select for the common crimes not the common label), and you get the standard definition of "violent crime".

    Some nations add various other crimes for their internal use, but you dont use their internal "violent crime" category, you download their data and add the appropriate crimes to get a common metric.

    Its done every day all over the world.
     
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    For a long time i was thinking myself as a separate identity, that is not the part of the government or government is a separate entity. Lately i changed my perception and now i think government is part of democracy, and democracy is the form of government in which all eligible citizen participate equally.
    Now if i take myself out of it, and i give my part to some greedy, money hungry or power hungry people , then it is my fault that i have given up my right to own that government.
    So i would now say that 'my government' no matter, i like them or not, but democracy is an ongoing process. Real spirit is participate in it. So i am participating by giving my opinion , by raising my voice and by standing for what i think is the right.
     

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