Time to Force Vaccinations for All

Discussion in 'Coronavirus Pandemic Discussions' started by Aleksander Ulyanov, Aug 12, 2021.

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  1. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    That's the only 'answer' you need to know.

    FYI, insofar as safety standards, BLA and EUA are the same.
     
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    I think I'll determine what information is relevant to my decisions, thank ya very much.
     
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  3. Patricio Da Silva

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    Then you shouldn't engage in hysterics, then. You may stop projecting --- accusing another of that which you are guilty.
    You are in denial of the facts, then.
    Ahh, so that's your rationalization for your denial. Thanks for admitting it.
     
  4. Patricio Da Silva

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    Sure, one has the right to determine the information relevant to their need to jump off a cliff, this is a free country.

    Go right ahead.
     
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    I don't know, but logic would suggest it's much worse than those that don't make it to ICU, noting that 99.99% of all covid deaths are among the non vaccinated.
     
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    Yeah, I understand that antibiotics are only effective against bacteria. The question is, why won't a strong immune response kill the weaker virus while leaving the stronger organisms to replicate?
     
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    You do understand that a big part of the calculus (for me and many like me) in not getting the shot is that reinfections seem quite rare, right? Shrugging your shoulders and pretending that there is no argument is lazy.
     
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    if you have already had it, fine, but for those who haven't, not getting it in the first place is the reason to get the shot because there is a greater risk of death before getting the shot if one hasn't been infected before the shot, than if one is infected after the shot.
     
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    I'll agree with that... kind of. My wife didn't get covid when I had it so she got the shot. That said, the risk of death is still quite small for younger, healthier people. I'd lean toward getting vaccinated (if I had not already had cv-19) but I wouldn't begrudge who has all the information and comes to another conclusion. There really is not much risk of death for them.
     
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    Silly post. A righteous Trumper would jump at the chance to get the vaccine since he told us to. Evidently you are a righteous Trumper.
     
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    Hes on the Trump train now.
     
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    I don't. Try some honesty
    I've denied nothing I've simply questioned a narrative. You attempting to poison the well by falsely claiming I denied anything seems to be a count mechanism more than an argument.

    Facts are things you can prove.

    I didn't deny anything. Questioning is intelligent accepting without questioned is blind following.

    You seem angry that others have more integrity than you do.
     
  14. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    No, you're following the Trump precept of "NEVER answer a straight question"

    Or maybe not, redeem yourself, WHY don't you want to get the vaccine? (or if you have gotten it why are you so concerned that nobody be coerced to get it if they don't want to)
     
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    How does it feel being a Trumper now since you followed his directions to get the vaccine? LOL
     
  16. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    People said that about smallpox itself, and it was. But no, you're right, it might take centuries, it did with smallpox, or it may not be possible at all. I don't see why this means people should not be vaccinated now in any case
     
  17. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    If I was a Trumper I'd be waiting several months to get it, in slavish emulation of the Dear Leader.

    And you STILL haven't answered my question, Why don't you want to get it? Or if you have it why are you so concerned others still have the "option" of refusing it?
     
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    People are allowed their own person risk/reward towards their own life choices

    If someone is dumb enough to smoke or vap. Drink excessively or same with recreational drugs that's on them.

    I'm double vacc'd. I'm safe. That's all that I need to concern myself with.
     
  19. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    Reinfections are rare but still possible, and considering how much COVID is likely to weaken you overall I'd be MORE likely to get a vaccine if I'd had it before.
     
  20. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    But what if there's a mutation that is vaccine resistant? That's much more likely now since there are so many unvaccinated
     
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    Then we get a booster shot or another vaccine.

    This is our new reality. It was never going to not mutate.
     
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    By the way, if you lose your freedom you can get it back, you can't do that with death.
     
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    Begs the question if you have it, why the hair on fire? Are you a pusher?
     
  24. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    It doesn't have to "not mutate", everything mutates. This isn't the X-Men, not all mutations are good, (and none of them give a species magical powers or look like Jennifer Lawrence) in fact, the vast, VAST majority of mutations are fatal to the organism. You have to have LOT of the organisms to give you enough mutations, and if you don't have a lot of people with the disease you won't get the numbers you need. (This may have something to do with "herd immunity" as well but I don't know.)

    You're being terribly presumptuous here. What if the new strain isn't vulnerable to vaccines? They don't have to be, Finding this vaccine so quickly was really quite lucky, It usually takes years.

    Or what if the next mutation is the New Black Death? This is what gives most epidemiologists nightmares. Nobody is really sure of what happened with the Black Death to this day but the possible trauma to humanity of about 2 billion dead all at once could just end us as a species. It would certainly make things very, VERY unpleasant for a very long time, that is indisputable.
     
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  25. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    RRRiiighttt. I want to addict everybody to good health:p

    I've already answered my end, several times. I don't want there to be a mutation that is vaccine resistant, it would kill me quick and lots of unvaccinated people mean such a mutation is likely

    Now AGAIN, why don't YOU want it? Or why is the freedom to refuse it so important to you?
     

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