Time to Get Real About Ukraine

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  1. Durandal

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    It's obvious that your concept of propaganda is simply anything you disagree with. And no, a network firing a host for his opinions is not censorship by any meaningful definition. That's being overly broad with the definition of censorship, just as you are being overly broad with your claims of propaganda.

    And you're quite misleading about "spooks showing up at Facebook - Google," since "spooks" have no power to tell private companies what to do. The best they could do is share information and offer advice. The rest was and is up to company management.
     
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    Yeah, as you did with the issue of American imperialism; no one who takes the time to look at those discussions will agree with you. Viewers should check out the discussions in the "Moon Landing" section.

    He wins in the same way that the Black Knight in this video wins.

    Monty Python - The Black Knight - Tis But A Scratch
     
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    A wall of spam with no analysis.
    You aren't the spokesperson for "no one". You are biased, have no logic or critical thinking skills and are incapable of reason or objectivity. You are never interested in any debate, only infecting people with your own beliefs. Now here you are deliberately taking this thread down the same old off-topic road.

    They will see the very worst example of conspiracy theorist cowardice. A complete inability to assimilate totally obvious and irrefutable proof.

    The sad thing about this is that this serial forum spammer has a list of cut and paste responses. He uses them no matter what the subject. The irony is that in this example his own actions exhibit perfectly his own example - only without the honorable ending!.
     
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    Your claim that canceling dissenting voices is not censorship shows you do not understand what censorship is. Has nothing to do with an over-broad definition .. and everything to do with your lack of understanding of what Propaganda/Censorship is. There is no legitimate definition that does not include clamping down on dissenting voices .. so .. hopelessly lost on that one mate. As stated previously -- you don't know what propaganda-Censorship is

    You then double down by proclaiming to the world you have no idea how coercion works .. and what propaganda is -- how it is created.

    Don't call me misleading for telling you that spooks showed up .. you are the one who is in the land of clueless fallacy - trying to mislead by suggesting that spooks not having power meant that Facebook- Google did not comply with the requests of the spooks and engage in censorship.. .. preposterous nonsense coupled with Non-Sequitur fallacy.

    A double fail thus far.

    A Triple fail for not being able to figure out that the NY-Times parroting the party line in the run-up to war was not propaganda/Censorship .. something the Times later apologized for ..

    and a quadruple fail .. not knowing what the Sin of Omission is ..

    KK -- the problem all this time .. you don't know what Propaganda is .. don't understand how censorship works .. no idea about coersion .. you probably think there was no coercion to take the vax .. no "forced Vaccination" ... due to this lack of understanding .

    Oh .. and your inability to understand how propaganda was used during Covid . fail number five .. a big one though .. well . they are all kind of big .. the fact that you have been around this long and have not the faintest idea about any of the above Five (5) fails.

    Are you not embarrassed at this point ? .. It doesn't seem so ..as has to be disingenuous oblivion at this point .. I mean few people would be this unable to figure out at least one example of propaganda-censorship in Western Media.

    another Crucifixion mate .. getting painful to watch
     
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    As does the foolish moron who can not figure out what Ad Hom Fallacy is. but, what can we say ... coming up with valid argument is dying art .. as is ability to understand English I suppose.

    That said - what does this have to do with your hatred of the founding principle and anti american perspective. Why do you hate the USA so much .. did we bomb one of your family members by accident or something ?
     
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    It wasn't allowed. But it was repeatedly threatened. Kamala threatened it 24-72? hours before Putin's invasion. And the hatred and resentment toward Russians has been playing out before our eyes since 2014. The Azov battalion (Nazis), and others, have been killing ethnic Russians by the thousands in Donbas. The Russian language was banned in many of these areas. And since 2022, Russian conductors can't conduct, Russian books are being removed from schools, etc.. Western society turned on ordinary Russian citizens on a dime, not vice-versa.
     
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    It would be more impressive if there were any documentation. As is, it's most likely just another Muscovite orc deep fake.
     
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    Don't say "we".
     
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    Muscovite actions have consequences.
     
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    What Biden sending Abrams tanks to Ukraine reveals about Russia’s war
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    It's obvious to any rational person that pushing NATO (and the weapons deployments that come with NATO status) to Russia's doorstep has had major consequences for the globe. We shouldn't have done that.
     
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    The countries on "Russia's doorstep" sought the protection of NATO because of Russia's past bad actions. "We" didn't do that; "we" responded to calls for help to defend freedom and independence. As stated previously, Muscovite actions have consequences; they brought this on themselves.
     
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    Russia advances, Ukraine readies counter-attack


    It's a glorious sight, those big cats frolicking on Ukrainian soil. Brings a tear to me eye.
     
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    You like to talk about bad actions of Russia completely ignoring NATO and US bad actions in Yugoslavia, Iraq, Lybia etc. As they say: People who live in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones.
     
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    Yet no one but your Muscovite dictatorship is seeking protection from the US or NATO. Fact is there is no comparison.
     
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    Ukraine has finally received Western tanks | DW News
     
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    The fact that the mentioned countries have not seeked for the protection from the US agression does not mean it did not exist. You try to paint NATO and US in white colours and Russia in black ones, but only stupid people can buy this kind of black and white painting.
     
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    No, but speaking of black, this now applies to Muscovy as it once did to Germany:

     
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    I disagree. Independent nations have the right to decide their own futures and alliances without a tin pot dictator in Russia having a veto over what independent nations decide to do for themselves.
     
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    I know of no US bad actions in Yugoslavia, Iraq or Libya. If you want to discuss those countries, you are free to start a thread.
     
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    Ukraine’s military success has depleted Russian armored vehicle reserves,
     
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    Putin fails as his offensive is 'chewed up' by Ukraine
     
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    You mean like that sorry mother ****er in the White House in 2014 that removed the Democratically elected President of Ukraine? Oh, my bad, it was both those sorry mother ****ers. A former and now current President.

    While we’re on the topic of independent nations, just what the **** are we doing with 4 or more bases in Syria? Did Bashar al Assad ask us? Oh he didn’t? So we just stole 1/3 of Syria because rah rah rah team, amirite? :cheerleader:

    Rules for thee but not for me yessir reeee
     
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