Time to invoke the 25th amendment?

Patriots only voted for Biden. I’m sure a lot of people who consider themselves to be patriots voted for trump, but they are mistaken.

 

I wasn't sure who made the initial claim and it appeared that it was either Biden or Trump being labeled a traitor. And that is why I quoted you. I may not agree with Trump's policies, but he has not been indicted as a traitor under the law, which should be only foundation for making such a claim on anyone.

 

Somehow, we are now discussing mail in voting, rehashing AGAIN, the 2020 election, and who actually won, instead of the 25th admendment on Joe Biden?

Than being said, all the articles you cited, that I read, really don't prove your point. Yes, voter fraud exists. And it always will. But at what rate is the more important question. Other than improper voter registration cards, actual voter fraud is rare, even among the absentee ballots, aka mail in ballots. The question then is how accessible should mail in ballots should be with given technological protections to secure such a ballot? The answer is not defined on who gets the ballot per se, but to make each and every mail in ballot "unique" so that it can be identified as a proper ballot sent out, enough personal identification information to determine that the person is the actual person is voting, and that everything is filled out completely and legibly. Certain people who are eligible to vote may need to do with an absentee ballot. For instance, business travelers, elderly who are in nursing homes, disabled persons who have diffiuclty going outside their home, students who live out of state, and a few others. No matter if the mail in ballot is with cause, or without cause, absentee ballots are generally secure the same way as in person ballots are.

The main reason why absentee ballots have become so dominant in the last 2 elections has nothing to do with fraud or potential fraud. It's the long lines at the voting booths amongst the various states. We, as Americans, are an impatient people. We want things now, as of yesterday. We rarely will stand in line for long periods of time in most situations. Even standing in long lines, overnight, is now more a thing of the past than today, given technogy on purchasing tickets.

Personally, it's a pathetic attempt not to accept the reality of the results of said election.

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/mail-ballot-security-features-primer

https://www.towson.edu/news/2022/st...cure.html?utm_source=homepage&utm_medium=news

 

I live in Colorado, Mail-In is how we vote. Colorado is a model of security and high participation.

Yes, it is.

 

That "number" is recorded fact. Everyone that voted against Benedict Donald IS a patriot. No Democrat beat hell out of Capitol Police with an American Flag. The Democrat party was largely against the tag on riots, started by anarchists and white supremacists "that cost nearly $2 billion in damages and killed about a dozen people, and it lasted for months". We have full employment since President Biden took office, inflation, high gas prices, food shortages are all due to the recovery from COVID that has been exacerbated by Donald Judas tRumps FAILURE to deal with the pandemic. Because of President Biden's cool head and steady hand the World is not threatened by War 3 and Ukraine is holding it's own against a, supposedly, superior Russian Army. All of this could have been avoided if piss-ant tRump would have focused on DOING his job instead of trying to keep his job.

 

Some people believe if they repeat something often enough, it becomes fact. I'm well over the dog and pony show of either party. Instead of hearing about what a candidate (for any elected position) can do for this country, we hear about how bad the other person is, and plans to assist special interest groups above and beyond what the rest of the Citizens receive.

 

I did not bring up the election; your side brought it up. I was just responding.

What are you talking about? The argument between @Noone and me was about whether mail-in voting leads to more voter fraud. @Noone said it does not. They said:

The articles that I cited absolutely contradict that and therefore absolutely prove my point that that statement is wrong. Here are some quotes from the articles that I cited, and then you tell me whether mail-in voting is as or more secure than in-person voting:

"Votes cast by mail are less likely to be counted, more likely to be compromised and more likely to be contested than those cast in a voting booth, statistics show." --Adam Liptak, New York Times, "Error and Fraud at Issue as Absentee Voting Rises", 6 October 2012

"Voter fraud does happen--but it almost never occurs at the polls. Instead, as election law expert and occasional Slate contributor Rick Hasen has explained, voter fraud occurs through absentee ballots." --Mark Joseph Stern, Slate, "Voter Fraud Exists. Republican Restrictions Won’t Stop It.", 01 September 2016

"'The consensus, among people who study fraud carefully, is that voting by mail is a much more fertile area for fraud than voting in person,' said Charles Stewart, who studies election technology and administration at Massachusetts Institute of Technology." --Miles Parks, NPR, "Voting By Mail Is On The Rise, But Could Alleged N.C. Election Fraud Change That?", 08 December 2018​

Now if you read those quotes and come away with the idea that mail-in voting does not lead to more voter fraud than in-person voting, and that, in fact, it might be even be more secure, then I recommend that you learn to read.

This idea that mail-in voting is as good as or better for voter integrity than in-person voting was a piece of mendacity that was contrived in 2020, because Democrats did not want Republicans to question the 2020 presidential election, which saw an astronomical implentation of mail-in voting. There is a positive correlation between mail-in voting and voter fraud: the more mail-in voting that occurs, the more voter fraud that occurs. Following that logic, there was probably widespread fraud in the 2020 election. Now was there enough to tip it in Biden's favor. There is no smoking-gun evidence to indicate that, which is why we should have a special counsel investigation into the 2020 election, just as we had a special counsel investigation into the 2016 election, as you people were sore losers that Clinton did not win.

 

Is it time to invoke 25th amendment? No. I suspect this is a solution more Dems are pushing than Republicans. Assuming he was duly elected as they say, they should be stuck with him till 2024. Truly experience the humiliation of a president who says ridiculous things on the world stage, impoverishes Americans by shutdown of American energy, opens our borders to all the world, while giving speeches about transgender as if that is the biggest problem Americans have. I've seen dozens of posters who say they didn't particularly like Biden, but "he was better than Trump." This shows the folly of voting for a candidate that you don't especially agree with, just to stick it to the other guy. Hopefully, the lesson will be fully learned; if you don't like either candidate stay home! Don't vote.

 

LOL, never mentioned or specified who brought up who. It was a general question since you were the last person responding to another poster, noone, on this subject. I was asking why, now which side.

You were the one who provided 8 or so articles claiming that mail in voter was more fraudulent than in person voting. That was your claim. AS I said, all 8 articles you provided, with their each individual hyperlinks, were read. And my conclusion was that it never proved the thesis that "mail in voter applications" are more fraudulent than in person voting systems.

There is a difference being contested and being fraudulent. Being contested means that not all the i's are dotted and the t's are crossed sort of thing. It is also easier because the person who filled out the mail in vote is not there compared to that election judge at the voting place where you present your ID and sign your name on the dotted line. They can still contest it, but why should they when you are there to defend yourself.

That being said, being contradictory means that it is inconclusive and not proven iether way. It may also depend on the facts and circumstances of why those votes were contested in the first place. It's an adversarial system where the Judge has to be impartial even though the that same election judge is a partisan judge of the state.

 

It was pushed by Tucker, Nannity, Laura, Jannette Pirro, and others on Fox News and now it is being pushed here by conservatives.

 

Let's look at those quotes again. Shall we?

"Votes cast by mail are less likely to be counted, more likely to be compromised and more likely to be contested than those cast in a voting booth, statistics show." --Adam Liptak, New York Times, "Error and Fraud at Issue as Absentee Voting Rises", 6 October 2012

"Voter fraud does happen--but it almost never occurs at the polls. Instead, as election law expert and occasional Slate contributor Rick Hasen has explained, voter fraud occurs through absentee ballots." --Mark Joseph Stern, Slate, "Voter Fraud Exists. Republican Restrictions Won’t Stop It.", 01 September 2016

"'The consensus, among people who study fraud carefully, is that voting by mail is a much more fertile area for fraud than voting in person,' said Charles Stewart, who studies election technology and administration at Massachusetts Institute of Technology." --Miles Parks, NPR, "Voting By Mail Is On The Rise, But Could Alleged N.C. Election Fraud Change That?", 08 December 2018

I did say:

So, you might need to learn how to read. You are hyperfocusing on the word "contested" in the first quote from Adam Liptak. That is to say, you are taking his quote out of context, for the full context of the quote is "votes cast by mail are less likely to be counted, more likely to be compromised [emphasis added] and more likely to be contested." You just focused on the last intransitive verb, conveniently forgetting the intransitive verb "compromised," which means fraudulent, and that, of course, lines up with the other quotes, which say that "voter fraud occurs through absentee ballots," and that "voting by mail is a much more fertile area for fraud than voting in person."

Did you want to try making your argument again, it being a losing argument notwithstanding?

 

It’s strange. The White House doesn’t allow Joe Biden to talk to most of the Republican Senators.

https://twitter.com/sentedcruz?lang=en

 

This is not funny anymore...

https://twitter.com/DonaldJTrumpJr/status/1511852935155634182