Toward concensus in the 9/11 community

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  1. DDave

    DDave Well-Known Member

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    I'll give it a shot.

    The Internet allows ignorance to blossom as it has for the 9/11 Truth movement. To the naive their arguments can seem compelling but when you actually analyze their claims with hard science and facts, they completely fall apart.


    I can't take credit for that though. I found it here.

    http://www.populartechnology.net/2009/06/debunking-911-conspiracy-theories.html

    I believe it is a nice summary though.
     
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  2. RtWngaFraud

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    Jim...the shills are out in full force here so, everything you try and convey they're going to distort it. Seems to be the biggest concentration of shills here for some reason. You seem to have awoken all of them and a full court attack has been ordered. You converse with them enough, and they'll have you believing the world in flat. You can't fight them Jim. This is THEIR forum. You aren't going to get much across as the attacks and redirecting will never cease. I suspect that if you keep posting, they'll find some way to toss you. They do that when the dancing, the insults, and the smokescreens do work as well as they'd like. Be advised, this is a "totally official" handled discussion. They control it. They control all information in here. Just take it as humorous entertainment and ignore the rhetoric. I'm sure many people who stalk these forums read what you have to say and check it our for themselves.
    Keep up the good fight Sir. You're a great American and a Patriot.
     
  3. Hannibal

    Hannibal New Member

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    'Truther' credo: "Everyone who disagrees with me is a shill."

    How's that for 'consensus'?
     
  4. I_Gaze_At_The_Blue

    I_Gaze_At_The_Blue New Member

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    Sorry, but you are not the real Jim Fetzer, are you ???

    Tell me what 70 plus year old, educated in the classics of philosophy and whom graduated magna cum laude would CAPITALISE every word !!!

    This is someone much younger pretending to be Fetzer I bet, for despite his obvious lack of understanding of science he just would not write in such a jejune and illiterate manner.

    :boo:
     
  5. DDave

    DDave Well-Known Member

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    Are you ever going to offer up any evidence of your shill claim? Or the biased moderation claim?

    For one who denounces attacks and redirecting and dancing you sure engage in it a lot.

    Do you support Mr. Fetzer's position that no planes hit the towers and the steel turned to dust?
     
  6. Fangbeer

    Fangbeer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Not that I think it has anything to do with his point, but I was wondering about that as well. Somehow he managed to capitalize everything in his quotes of my posts as well. Some time around lunch I'll take a moment and respond to his rebuttal.
     
  7. Hannibal

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    I wrote directly to Jim Fetzer to inquire about this. (always go to the source, kids!) I'll let you know if/ when I hear back.

    ETA: and that didn't take long. The person posting here is in fact the genuine article.
     
  8. LoneStrSt8

    LoneStrSt8 New Member Past Donor

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    Well I'll be dipped...
     
  9. 9/11 was an inside job

    9/11 was an inside job Well-Known Member

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    You can say that again.I ALMOST feel sorry for them for the negative karma the paid shills that have penetrated this site are bringing down on themselves selling their souls down the drain for money.They will find out for themselves in the future when they suffer physically in severe pain all the karma they are bringing down on themselves disrespecting these familys like they do. I just hope that when that day happens,the ones here that have penetrated this site doing this,remember this time they were warned that this will happen to them and they will regret taking money to sell their soul down the drain.
     
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    9/11 was an inside job Well-Known Member

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    yes you are correct on both counts.I mean just look at my user name.heh heh.
     
  11. 9/11 was an inside job

    9/11 was an inside job Well-Known Member

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    There are many loyal Bush dupes who forgot everything they were taught in junior high school science classes everywhere amazingly.lol.
     
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    9/11 was an inside job Well-Known Member

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    Excellent post Rt,well said.You nailed it.Like i said earlier,Jim has obviously got the handlers of the paid shills that frequent here all the time extremely nervous.They are worried that many people that dont post here will be lurking reading his posts so they have obviously ordered them to come here and go all out in full attack mode on him and try to no avail,disrupt and derail his facts and evidence.
     
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    LoneStrSt8 New Member Past Donor

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    Truthers are a rather whiny bunch,aren't they?
     
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    I guess you're done kicking fangbeer and myself's collective asses to bother responding to your nonsense contentions concerning the design of the towers in this thread...

    Or did you put us back on ignore in that ass kickin' way you roll?
     
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    I had years of posts deleted when the JREF crew was invited by a DBS moderator to talk about 9-11. 'Donald' appeared and helped make defamatory remarks regarding Balsamo and soon after DBS was taken off the internet.

    Do you have any idea what it takes to get something taken off the internet?
     
  17. DDave

    DDave Well-Known Member

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    Please forgive me, I'm kind of new to the whole 9/11 conspiracy thing, Never really delved into it until I joined here.

    What is DBS and who is Balsamo and "Donald"? I think I know who JREF is.
     
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    I started posting on Arianna (Huffingtons) Online political forum. When she started the Huffington Post the forum was transferred to an individual owner who saved the archives and renamed it Debate Both Sides. Balsamo , I think, found the pilots for truth group and has had a nasty relation with Ronald Weick, or "Donald" as I use to call him. He likes attention. And I'm kinda surprised he looked so relaxed sitting down.
     
  19. DDave

    DDave Well-Known Member

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    Thanks for the background, I did not know that.

    Yes, Weick and Mark Roberts both seemed very relaxed but Fetzer was sure animated. Granted he was outnumbered 2 to 1 but still his body language and reaction when he was challenged on a point of evidence was pretty interesting to watch. Almost without fail, he would cross his arms, lean back all "puffy chested" like and flippantly dismiss the opposing evidence as "ex post facto" fabrications or unreliable witnesses or some other dodge without addressing the point.
     
  20. gr8dane

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    Well, I might have answered a little differently but it's just Hardfire. No one is going to hire an acting coach for Hardfire.
     
  21. DDave

    DDave Well-Known Member

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    No need for an acting coach but I think Fetzer actually addressing the points brought up would have helped his credibility. Instead he just acted like a pompous arrogant ass who is so intellectually superior (in his mind anyway) that all he as to do is fold his arms, lean back, make a silly fact and proclaim the opposing evidence rubbish and it makes it so.

    Not a very convincing debate performance for someone who claims to have spent 35 years teaching logic and critical thinking to college students.
     
  22. Jim Fetzer

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    Well, so you could easily discern my responses from the originals, I posted ALL IN CAPS. But when it uploaded, the result was the mix you read now. So it was not my intent. My Ph.D., by the way, is in the history and the philosophy of science. While the majority of the courses I offered were in logic, critical thinking, and scientific reasoning, they were all on T/Th, which left me a lot of time for research. See http://www.d.umn.edu/~jfetzer/ Thanks for asking, but that's the explanation. Would that I were decades younger!

     
  23. Jim Fetzer

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    DDave seems to be projecting. The descriptions he offers seem to fit him, not me. For someone who thinks "JREF" is a person, this is pretty rich stuff. The exchange would have been more productive had I been able to use my slides, only a few of which made it into the debate. For those who want "the big picture" on 9/11, try ""False Flag Terror and the Rise of the Global Police State" (9 September 2011) and other interviews and presentations that are archived on the Scholars for 9/11 Truth home page. There are quite a few.

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEzoBKAkzmU"]9-11: Jim Fetzer, False Flag Terror and The Rise of the Global Police State - YouTube[/ame]

    For those who think there is something wrong about citing my own studies, I would observe that I am marshaling arguments based upon the evidence in those studies. That is what is required: the application of reason and logic to the available relevant evidence, a nice example of which is "Planes/No Planes and 'video fakery'". Rob Balsamo, by the way, committed several blunders in our exchange on Pilots Forum, which is not surprising since he declared that he was not going to even read the articles we were debating.

     
  24. Jim Fetzer

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    Well, we had an interesting time. I guess we are not supposed to notice that you have changed the subject. I have rebutted Fangbeer's replies in posts #110 and #113, but now DDave wants to skip over that and talk about Mark Roberts! Notice that he appears to know very little about 9/11 and specializes in ad hominems. That he should have a special role here is just a bit of a stretch! I suggest going back to that exchange and give this a little more thought. Or study some of my articles, which are chock full of evidence and arguments.

     
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    This is most interesting. Judy has degrees in structural engineering, applied physics, and materials science. And YOU think YOU KNOW MORE THAN SHE DOES? I gather there are quite a few comedians on this thread. I linked to her proof because it is extremely clear and completely accurate. Check it out. Those who do not understand Galileo's law of falling bodies have no business criticizing those who do. And all you do here is cite one another, one doofus citing yet another, which is a common tactic among those who are as ignorant as you.

     

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