Transgender sprinters finish 1st, 2nd at Connecticut girls indoor track championships

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  1. vman12

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    Yeah and if you put on a big rubber suit you can become Godzilla.
     
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    I don't expect you to bother devoting any thought to the matter, but you could at least can it with the ignorant proclamations and uninformed non-arguments on the topic.
     
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    What?
    The average man is always more physically capable than the average woman.
    The average male athlete in his chosen sport is always more physically capable than his female counterpart.
     
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    Until hormone treatments do their thing.
     
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    So you agree - there -is- a natural advantage.
     
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    Those aren't allowed in sports, and men can take them as well. There's no way men and women will ever be equal physically.
    It's not just muscle - it's bone structure as well.
     
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    If men have no natural advantages over women, why are there men's/women's sports teams?
     
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    It's time to live the Progressive dream and get rid of gender based sports.

    It may be funny to watch Thanasi Kokkinakis destroy Serena Williams in straight sets during the first round of the U.S. Open. Note: Thanasi is ranked 149th among "men".

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    We will however, have him wear pink to honor "women".
     
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    Injecting yourself with stuff makes you no more a woman than putting on your Underoos makes you superman.
     
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    So your argument boils down to

    'Personality differences show different changes in brain scans, and Trans Folks brains show different changes in brain scans, so therefore Trans is a personality type"

    Do you not see the giant holes in that idea?

    Men and women have different brain scans https://geneticliteracyproject.org/...r-differences-rooted-in-the-brain-or-society/

    Autists have different brain scans https://cosmosmagazine.com/biology/brain-scans-could-help-predict-autism-severity

    ADHD individuals have different brain scans https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S014976341630478X

    Yet these are genetic issues. So by your logic, I can say that Trans individuals brain scan differences are also genetic.

    You have to make the connection between the Personality type MRI scans (and the areas that they show different) and Trans folks.

    'biological' and 'physical' are 2 words that aren't separate from each other. Biology is a general make up of all the various components of being a Human, be it the physical body, the mental brain, skin, bones, etc...

    My argument from the beginning that born-males have a much more developed muscle physiology then born-females hasn’t changed. It’s indisputable.

    Just because they don’t happen a lot doesn’t mean you can just dismiss them. They show that the building process (for lack of a better term) doesn’t always go the same way. And considering trans folks are estimated to number less then 1% of the US population, it sounds like they appear as much as the aforementioned anomalies.

    I never claimed his “biology” changes. The entirety of the “trans” condition is mental, and the reaction by many is to make physical alterations to align with the mental. Taking hormones will produce physical changes, but not at the level that would even out the physical advantages for sports or competitions.
     
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    i would agree on genetic brain patterns, but personality types of the parents cause that.

    they can be changed with conversion therapy, for example you can retrain the brain of a homosexual to desire the opposite sex

    not saying you should infringe on their social freedom.
     
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    I still like the idea of men holding state records for women. Its a double bonus because when these boys annihilate women in competition they can use their victory to win college scholarships that were meant for girls. Concepts like biology are just science, we have have moved on to better ways of knowing things.... feelings.

    Screw those biological girls who trained their entire life to compete at state but were beat out by boys, they are just unreasonable bigoted haters who are attacking innocent boys for no good reason. We should track down those biological girls who dared to complain and utterly destroy their lives... amirite? The girls are the evil Nazis and we should hate them, ban them and ostracize them.
     
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    are you serious?
    Men have more muscle mass, bone density, and oh yeah testosterone.

    You people are flat earthers, plain and simple.
     
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    You can not change your sex, you can only become a more convincing pretender. What is wrong with people that they can not figure that out.
     
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    Women will just have to dig down deep and find a higher gear, or be also competed's. Equality of competition. Human beings at the starting line.
     
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    You mean the ones who lost to the two men?

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    I'm rather shocked by the open hostility towards women by liberal progressives this issue exposes.

    The various sporting bodies have better get their act together and address this issue, or it will likely be the end of women's sporting competition. That would be the ultimate insult to talented women around the world.
     
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    They do have a natural advantage. You misread what I posted.
     
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    Eh. There are very few 'success' stories of conversion therapy and many many more 'failures'.

    I personally have no issue with adults subjecting themselves to it, but not minors.
     
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    The bottom line is that the best female athletes in most sports will have male DNA.
     
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    Trans women should be given a separate category at the Paralympics so they can compete amongst themselves. It's not fair that normal women should have to compete against people with a condition which gives them a major advantage. Alternatively they could compete in the men's events.
     
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    But that concedes the inferiority of women.
     
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    Since you cannot debate the points being made to you and choose an alternative, welcome to ignore.
     
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    And to the subject once again for those able to handle it, there is zero evidence transgenders or transsexuals have different brain scans because of a genetic condition. None.

    There is actual evidence that a personality of a person does shape a brain scan which is why if you pretend to be a sex you are not that will show up on a brain scan as different from a normal person of your sex just as it has been proven that different personalities have been found to have different brain scans.

    And if your so called links have "could be" "possibly" in their premise, they aren't factual just baseless theories from someone pushing an agenda.
     
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    No, I understood - my question was incredulous.
     
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    lol so me saying 'I don't agree with it, but adults are free to do as they will with themselves' isn't debating the point?

    Cool, put me on ignore. That just shows your inability to debate me, and signals your retreat.
     
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