'True lies of new Atheism'.

Then you are off topic, and I am speaking on the authority of the Original Post. Or are you just derailing this thread for the hell of it?

 

Well, me and the Rev are friends, so you are claiming to be speaking on his authority? No? Oh OK.. now what?

You want to accuse me of derailing this thread, when all you are doing is contributing to any derailment that might be taking place. That is kinda like the pot calling the kettle black.

You still have not answered my question presented to you. You also accused me of skipping over yours.... and I questioned you on that and you still have not clarified. Are you intentionally throwing baited comments out there for the purpose of "derailing this thread just for the hell of it"?

 

Original Post. Set out by the Original Poster. Ask him to repost it if you have such a problem with me staying on topic.

 

Well do this... go bother those others who have not restricted themselves to staying 100% on topic, when you have confronted those others, then come back to me.... otherwise... stuff it.

When someone on this forum makes a claim within a given topic of discussion which has a bearing on the topic, I am delighted to challenge them in proving their claim.... Just like so many others on this forum do... you don't like that type of activity,,,, then go play in another sandbox.

 

Ha, ha hi brother IC, Hey, you remind me of Daniel in the lion pit, except this time the mangy secular lions are toothless, their words meaningless, and all you are getting is a good gumming! Margo Kis and the rest of the usual suspects have no way to win a debate so they fall back on attacking the person while forfiting the debate to us. Par for the course indeed eh?

Rev A

 

Yes IC we are the best of friends! You are an authorized agent that I have given virtual power of attorney to speak for me! God bless you brother.

Now, I haven’t traced the replies back to see what this flap is about, but since I did create the thread I am telling you that can talk about the weather if you want here. I am very lenient about that even to those that are at the bottom of my list from dislike to admire and You IC are in the top 1% of who I admire. Just saying

Rev A

 

Truly you should remove the mote from your own eye before commenting about the mite from your brothers eye. (Plagiarized with permission from the immortal words of Jesus Christ) ~

RevA

 

I guess instead of reverting to baseless accusations like IC, I'm going to bow out because this thread is just going to keep going in a circle.

 

No need to bow out... we enjoy input from whoever...

 

Cya Photonic ! He came he saw Rev he ran in fear knowing secular lions could not successfully debate one theist much less two theists~
Ha ha meow or is it mew?

RevA

 

Yeah! When the theists determine within themselves as individuals and as a group that there is no room for dogmatic debates between the theists, then the light of the Lord shines forth and blinds those that would oppose the Will of the Lord. Brotherly love is an incurable spiritual toxin to those that do not KNOW the Lord Jesus.

 

There is no lie to atheism. Theist put positive proof forward and cannot prove it. When they are asked for empirical evidence, they throw a hissy fit.

There is no "new atheism". Plus, atheism does not have a creed or a doctrine. It is simply a lack of belief in supernatural friends. Atheism is something that most people accept when they are 6 and find out when Santa Claus is not real.

 

I feel a story coming on! Better run while you guys have the chance!



How to love someone you should hate


Yes love does cure so many ailments. That is why Jesus wants us to love our enemies, like you say it its like an infection and cures them, and it cured us. Its god working as a MD. However it is difficult to love some of the more abrasive types of the usual suspects, but I do, and here is how. In the army taking ranger training* I was ready to leave because our CO (a ROTC Wanna be Capt but Nam vet) was brow beaing me.

I went over his head and told a general officer that I was ready to quit because I hated my CO! The gen told me not to respect the man and to respect the uniform and what it stood for. It worked. When he ran his mouth I looked at the flag on his uniform and told myself I was doing this for those that wore his uniform and died for my freedom! Flash forward to today when a really abrasive atheist at a street sermon gives me reason to want to dance with him. God tells me to love him not break his teeth! What to do? I force myself to love his soul not his sick mind. Is should is our bodies uniform in a way, God created it and it begins as a clean slate. So that is how I love everyone. I don’t love thier ways but I do love the creation of that person. Thats all ~

*(which I had do leave because I blew out my knee on my first static jump, luckily I got to do something almost as much fun, I became a PsyOps Psychological Operations) op ha ah if fit my personality better)

Rev A

See I told ya all ya should have run~

 

Then explain Christian foreign policy for the last century.

 

Let us play the old game of 'tit for tat'. I too have asked Atheists and other non-theists for empirical evidence that would irrefutably prove that a single solitary electron is in existence, and they throw a hissy fit. Can you show me a single solitary electron? If you can, please place it in my hand so that I too can make that necessary scientific observation that is required by the scientific principles before something can be called a material 'FACT'.

 

Science does not work this way.

Plus, you are invoking the 'Gods of the Gaps' argument.

I can't show you minute object out of the lenses of the eye. However, microscopes can.

 

You may think there is no new atheism but atheism has changed drastically in the last few decades. If you do not know what I mean you haven’t read my OP. However I will make quick comment but not discuss what I already posted.

Plus, atheism does not have a creed or a doctrine. It is simply a lack of belief in supernatural friends.

I did not say atheism had a ‘creed’. It does have a doctrine technically speaking. Atheists have a paradigm, which means world view. The way they define reality. I began asking atheists to define and then to defend their paradigm to get around what I feel is the disingenuous and deceptive tactic of saying they have no burden of proof using all kind of excuses such as ’we cant defend a negative etc’ (hence the title; lies of the new atheism).

Everyone has a paradigm so that tidily gets around that excuse of atheism. Another reason I think the atheists that refuse to defend their paradigm is that they want to wear the mantel of atheism but can not defend it in debate, all the arguments are irrational and truly without tangible proofs to support their position.

Most accept atheism at age six eh? Funny. Then tell me; why are there over two billion Christians in the world and nearly two billion Muslims in the world and billions more of other believers in the world compared to a relative hand full of true atheists? In addition theists have people like Kurt Gödel and Thomas Aquatints that defend the existence of God. We have the Cosmological arguments and ontological arguments that use deductive and modal logic science and other tools in those arguments for evidence for the existence of God not to mention PhDs like Penrose and many other PhDs that show evidence for the existence of God. Atheism only has the quip; "Oh I am an atheist I don’t have to defend my claims!" Ha ha not so convincing eh? Not only that the no burden of proof claim is being dismantled bit by bit (actually it’s already been razed to the basement falling like the walls of Jericho under the onslaught of the truth of Gods existence).


Rev A

 

Atheists do not share a worldview.

Once you accept this fact, then we can move on.

Its called being facetious. Ever hear of it?

 

If that is so science also invokes a version of 'Gods of the Gaps' argument! They call it quantum gravity did it, or even better string theory did it, or it happened on one of the infinite universes predicted by string theory...

Show me a Higgs Boson, or a quark for that matter (or any number of particles). Pick any microscope you want, including an electron microscope.

RevA

 

Plus why do your call yourself an anarchist. You can't be an anarchist and believe in the Lord.

More silly Christian nonsense.

 

I can show your incoherent babbling, but that is about it.

You are asking me to show you a minuscule piece of matter and I am asking for proof of God.

I would stop be so demanding if I was you.

 

No! You are applying the wrong type of philosophy and subsequent form of logic within a forum section devoted to 'religion'. Look at this:
"Political Forum > Political Issues > Religion > 'True lies of new Atheism'."
For some strange reason, I cannot find the word 'science' within that list of divisions within this forum. Others likewise continue to insist that science is a proper subject to be discussed within a religion forum discussion, but they refuse to leave the philosophy of science at the front door and they refuse to use the philosophy of 'religion' within this forum. It would seem more likely that those attempting to initiate discussions relating to the philosophy of science are some how missing the mark of the purpose of this section of the forum.

Even microscopes have not been able to capture the image of a single solitary electron. So how do you KNOW that electrons exist? You rely on the electron theory? Now the following is an extremely basic concept (notion) of what is suspected of happening,,, but unfortunately.. pay close attention to the title of the lesson and bear in mind that this is what is being taught in the school systems...
http://www.mw.k12.ny.us/webpages/jbirdsall/files/electron_theory1.pdf

You say that electrons is not a theory? Then you are suggesting that the schools that are educating our young children are teaching the children lies. . . else you are suggesting that the teachers in those schools are ignorant. Which is it?

 

EVERYONE that is awake has a world view! When you say you are an atheist that is part of your world view. Its how you see the world what you use as an authority to base your beliefs on etc. Most secular types or outright atheists use science and their own senses as an authority to define the world around them. By that I mean you probably believe in classical evolution, while I believe in progressive creation. (most lay atheists have no idea there are different kinds of creationists).

How is that being facetious? Do you mean 'we can move on' after I accept that mistruth? If you expect me to believe a 'lie' we will not move on. Yes, I think its fair to including you in the Usual suspects clique.

Rev A

 

You and the other Atheists do share a world view. How do I know this? Simple ... you reject even the possibility of any form of spiritual existence (which includes the existence of God) therefore, you all share all that is left.... a 'world view'.. the view of materialism.

 

I don't believe in authority. In fact, I am a Goldwater Conservative ranging to a Max Stirmer anarchist.

However, I am still skeptical of jumping over to the Stirmer camp and abandoning natural law. Even as an atheist, I believe in natural law since I believe in the a apriori truth that man own's himself.