Trump barred from being President of Colorado.

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  1. Kode

    Kode Well-Known Member

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    Yeah we already know you only accept sources that support a right wing lying line of propaganda. Fact checkers are more honest. By far.
    Try addressing the facts.
     
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    You don't know anything about what I accept or don't accept. This is an assumption on your part and dismissive because:

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    Especially those with left leaning bias who

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    I don't think you'll like the facts above.
     
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    You could replace that with Biden and you'd have people agreeing with you too. This is your opinion.
     
  4. Kode

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    Bunk. "Lean Left" means leaning to present the facts that the public needs to make an honest, informed decision. To a right winger, CENTER is "left"!!!
     
  5. Kode

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    So you think Biden is trying to undermine democracy?????????????!!!!!!!!!!

    HOW??
     
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    Is your answer "no"?
     
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    Don't put words in my mouth.
     
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    Ah I see, only when the fact check supports your opinion is it not "bunk"?

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    It's a question. I asked if there was a direct quote to

    "It was an insurrection, tRaitor tRump called his people to DC and then sicked them on the Capitol Building"

    Your response was "can you consult legitimate news sources"

    I asked another question.

    My first question remains. Can your or anyone else provide a direct quote that substantiates the original claim. My suspicion is no. Is that correct?
     
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    Prove that "Lean Left" means "lies" to "AllSides" or any such source of political evaluations.
     
  11. Kode

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    No you didn't. You asked "Is your answer "no"?"

    If it were an honest question, you would have asked "Is your answer "yes" or "no"?
     
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    I am not a Trump fan, nor an I a Biden fan. It's clear to see you are a Biden fan. It's safe to assume that you'll be biased towards Biden and against Trump. I'm more neutral so I wouldn't be. I can see the lies on both sides. Can you?

    I don't think Trump should be running again, no good can come out of it because in part the lunacy of Trump derangment syndrome on the left will go into over drive and everything he does will be spun against him. Also because he's a troll and would invite that lunacy on, so any good he potentially does will never be recognized either. I don't believe he incited an insurrection, the evidence is poor. Some trolls and bad actors did get into the capitol, many were invited in. The left got their crisis and now have their meme to keep promoting the very myth you say "threat to democracy". To me that indicates a lack of understanding on how the three branches of government really work, or were intended to work.

    Here's one main stream source that provides some commentary towards your question, even though it's written with a clear left leaning bias.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...a8181c-2c55-11ec-92bd-d2ffe8570c7d_story.html

    "After winning the Democratic nomination, Biden similarly framed his candidacy as crucial to the effort to “save our democracy.”"

    So are you just really only repeating the Biden narrative?

    "Biden officials also argue that legal actions can be more effective than aggressive speeches. The Justice Department has announced a doubling of its voting rights enforcement staff, and in June, the department sued Georgia over new voting restrictions that it alleged deliberately discriminate against Black Americans"

    Care to explain how? No ad hom please.

    How about Biden tampering with his son's investigation? I bet you think that never happened either, right?
    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hunter...r-felt-handcuffed-case-hearing-investigation/

    One of the basis of democracy is debate, no? Why are the democrats not willing to engage this time around? What excuses exist here?
     
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    I did.

    You can follow the sequence easily.

    And you didn't provide a quote, you made a dismissive snarky remark which is hardly a yes, so I asked the obvious question.

    Let's go back to the beginning and do it how you request:

    "YES" or "NO" can you provide a direct quote for this claim:

    "It was an insurrection, tRaitor tRump called his people to DC and then sicked them on the Capitol Building"
     
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    Prove factcheck.org is not left leaning

    Two can play this game.
     
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    All irrelevant to my assertions regarding Trumps offer of National Guard BEFORE the protest. Likely why thats the first place you go.
     
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    I am not a Biden fan. He has been very disappointing and betrayed us all by breaking his promise to work for alternative energy and against climate change when he handed leases to oil companies to drill on national lands. He has proven to be so devoted to "politics as usual" as to be spineless in doing anything he promised. He let Garland delay, delay, delay action against Trump's insurrection without so much as a request.

    But I would vote for a cabbage rather than Trump-the-dictator-in-waiting.

    Yes I can see both sides. I see that Trump has said he wants to be a dictator. I don't care if it's one day or a lead-in foot-in-the-door he has in mind. He said he will be a dictator. He said he will go after his opponents and critics. He said he will establish concentration camps. He has used well known authoritarian language saying he will exterminate the vermin, and he has said immigrants are "poisoning the blood of our country"..... all well known fascist talk. He said he will free up government to be racist.

    So you see, I can see both sides. Anyone who sees any value in a second Trump term does not see "both sides" but rather sees a hope for an end to our Constitutional republic and representative democracy and the beginning of The Brave New World of rank authoritarianism and suppression of rights.
     
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    As I indicated, Factcheck.org is center and balanced, and to the far right that means "left-leaning" or even just "left". And you have proven it quite well.
     
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    Seeing that the President has control of the National Guard when the issue is activation and protection, why didn't the Guard show up?
     
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    Your opinion, which has been disproven by an independent and balanced third party organization

    I did.
     
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    It's clear you're a democrat. So further to my previous comments, I'm neither republican or democrat. I see them both as "same ****, different pile" but I do like some individual politicians better than others.

    It's also clear that you support left leaning fact checkers and you assume that because someone else does not that they're automatically right leaning. Not a good way to do evidence.


    By shutting down the keystone pipeline.

    It was clear that this was a mistake, and energy costs have gone through the roof. "Alternative" energy sources have all sorts of problems and environmental issues as well, so they're clearly not the solution. If enery costs continued to rise, Biden would have fully sabotaged any chance he had at re-election. But you see why he's a two faced politician all the same. Making promises to secure your vote and then flipping. Is that democracy to you?


    Because he trolls the left? You're ignoring that the three branches of government keep any attempts at that in some check.

    Can you actually describe what you think that means?
     
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    I couldn't help but notice you had no link.
     
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    Care to take a stab at answering any of this rather than the same rhetoric "threat to democracy" meme that the lame stream media likes to put into people's heads?
     
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    I'm not a democrat. Ever notice my signature line?
     
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    I linked a washington post article.

    It's also not hard to find:

    What a "Lean Left" Rating Means
    Sources with an AllSides Media Bias Rating of Lean Left display media bias in ways that moderately align with liberal, progressive, or left-wing thought and/or policy agendas. A Lean Left bias is a moderately liberal rating on the political spectrum.

    not providing the link was a oversight on my behalf, but easy to find with a basic search. Should I do that for you, or can you manage?
     
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    The Democrat part is the socialist party. So whatever you say...

    "Democracy is the road to socialism because democracy is government of the people, by the people, for the people.
    Socialism is the most democratic system."

    I bet the people of the former Union of Soviet Socialist Republics would beg to differ with you.

    You also conveniently ignored the rest of my inquires. Leads me to believe like the democrat party, you also don't want healthy debate.
     
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