Trump Clears Way For Julian Assange Pardon

a pardon is admitting he is guilty

 

and republicans have no issue with him exposing US secrets and getting people killed?

 

ROTFLMAO. You don't know your gov't that well, do ya? Come out of that bubble, if you can mentally handle it.

We live in a nation where our own CIA can spy on their own damned oversight committee, and no one gets into trouble. We live in a nation where intel heads can commit perjury in front of congress, and no one gets into trouble. We live in a nation where our own CIA can run drugs into our inner cities to finance their dark operations and no..one...gets..into..trouble.

Rule of law? What rule of law? It is selective. So, no rule of law when it comes to assange. Or anyone else this gov't chooses.

 

No, he's not guilty of that. He's neither conscientious nor a journalist. He's more like a dealer in stolen property. He started out as a thief himself, now he's a fence.

 

The rape charges are irrelevant to a US indictment. That's Sweden, not the US. I don't know why people keep bringing that up in relation to a US indictment.

I've read your posts and don't see any proof that you have evidence that there is a secret indictment and arrest warrant. If you know about it, it's not much of a secret huh?

Until I see evidence of such a "secret indictment" I'll just regard it as conspiracy theory.

 

If you look back, the GOP did. Dems hailed him as a hero until 2016.

 

Say something often enough and they'll believe it?? It's what politicians depend on, because they know how dumb Joe Public is.

 

After what he did to the CIA. Screw the trial, send a drone... half-joking. He is an enemy just like terrorists, albeit more effective.

 

Guilty? Assange has always said he is innocent. How can you possibly interpret that as guilt?

 

That’s just wrong. Assange isn’t under any kind of “house arrest”, he jumped bail in the UK and attempted to flee the country (successfully technically ) during his extradition proceedings to Sweden. As far as I’m aware, there has never been any warrant for his arrest from the US and never been any extradition request from the US to any of the relevant nations.

However the US legal or political situation might change won’t have any impact on Assange’s practical situation. If he leaves the embassy he will be arrested by the UK police for his bail breech. Given the case has been effectively dropped in Sweden, I doubt very much would come from that in the long run but they’d still have to go through the formal process. He’d then be free to go, though probably required to leave the UK, presumably back to Australia unless he got a better offer.

 

Of course he 'jumped bail', because if he hadn't he'd have been arrested with trumped-up charges and faced a karangoo court trial in the most perverse and disgusting miscarriage of justice trial this country has ever seen. Wouldn't you have jumped bail if you'd been him?

 

So the U.S. cannot berate the regime in Iran for lack of freedoms without looking like a hypocrite.

 

You know not what you speak of.

Publishing leaked government documents has a very long and honourable journalistic tradition and has been enshrined in that profession in the USA until very recent times.

In the case of the Pentagon Papers this leaking tradition was protected under the law.

What you call "stolen property" is, in the United States today, a thriving and very profitable industry.

For example, US VIP's selling military secrets and nuclear technology to the highest bidder around the world, as revealed by former FBI officer, Sibel Edmonds.

 

I call it "house arrest" to simplify, but the UN uses the legal term "arbitrary detention". Same thing. See HERE.

The London Tribunal recently confirmed that great state secrecy surrounds the US arrest warrant for Assange. There is, therefore, an arrest warrant, but details about it cannot be made public.

How truly naive you are.

He would only be allowed to go free if the secret US arrest warrant was cancelled or voided. Otherwise he would already have served time for breach of bail - a relatively minor charge - and would already be out and about. The fact he is not tells you that this is not about breach of bail but extradition to the US to stand trial on charges that are secret under an arrrest warrant that is secret.

 

When asked about the potential consequences of publishing the names of Afghans working with American forces to defeat the Taliban (violent islamic fundamentalists who ran a medieval state where women were refused education & basic medical care for those who forgot) Assange replied:

"Well, they're informants so, if they get killed, they've got it coming to them. They deserve it"

Says it all really.

There is a long & noble tradition of using government documents to expose governments. Assange defiles that tradition by making it all about his nasty little prejudices. Look at the people & organizations he is happy to help & look at where his venom is directed. A completely upside down worldview.

 

Yes, the number of times we're hearing that little phrase these days; when challenged, the usual response from the jobsworth who suddenly finds himself on the spot is along the lines of it 'Not being in the public interest.' So much for the 'open and accountable government' mantra?

 

So there is a 'secret' US arrest warrant....and you know this....which means its not a 'secret'. What are the details? Come on, let us in on the 'secret'.

So if people know about the warrant what is the point of keeping it secret? Even if the UK says it won't arrest him if he comes out of the Embassy the US can just put out the warrant the moment that agreement is made and he will be picked up, anyway. The same thing could have happened when he was out on bail, yet the US didn't issue a warrant then either.

Watching people pander to the paranoid fantasies of an egomanical, Trump supporting, Russian allied sexual predator is fascinating. A useful way to distinguish people who have principles from those who are just pretending hatred of America & the West qualifies as an ideology.

 

It isn’t the same thing at all (even if I agreed with the UN ruling), it’s misleading propaganda. He has always been free to leave the embassy. He’d have to face the legal cases before him of course, but that’s no different to anyone else without his power and connections.

I’m not sure which “London Tribunal” you’re referring to there. There’s been lots of talk of the US putting together an arrest warrant but no evidence that has actually happened and no evidence of any extradition request (which couldn’t really be entirely secret).

Assange is entirely in control of his own movement. He chooses not to leave because he fears being extradited to the US (and, I suspect, he enjoys the attention) but his fear doesn’t mean it’s true. This is ultimately a question of rule of law. You’re perfectly entitled to say that individuals should be free to ignore the law if they don’t like or trust it but that would have to apply to everyone and you’d need to acknowledge the consequences of that principle.

 

Shush now. Pointing out a lot of awkward facts isn't going to win you any friends. Assange is a 'prisoner', 'persecuted' by the US with their secret warrants and the 'lying b*tches' (his word) in Sweden who were apparently working for the CIA.

The guy is nasty and deluded. His acolytes have no excuse.

 

Haha.

 

What "secrets" did Manning expose and who was killed ?

 

Our Kangaroo court system will make something up.

 

Below are some of the relative paragraphs published by La Repubblica's request for FOI access to the full Assange file:

my italics
http://www.repubblica.it/esteri/201..._file_of_julian_assange-184083942/?refresh_ce

Mere mortals like us are not permitted to even know such elevated things.

 

Publishing something that is already "out there" can hardly be blamed for "exposing secrets" as obviously these supposed secrets were already "out there" and thus no longer secrets.

Given the above the "getting people killed" statement that follows is then an appeal for Orwellian Totalitarianism. Is this seriously what you desire ? Thought police - no press freedom ... the "Ministry of Truth" and so on ?

 

I know, let's spend our time quibbling over how many grains on salt were accidentally left on the dining room table.