Trump Clears Way For Julian Assange Pardon

The British government has spent £13 million plus surrounding the Ecuadorian embassy with police and other security types and are also apparently scanning all diplomatic pouches/boxes with heat sensors to check to see if a live body if concealed therein (which would be a breach of diplomatic immunity).

There's only one reason they are continuing to expend such large amounts of money on Assange - and it's simply crass to argue it would be for such an unimportant thing as breach of arrest.

And if the British authorities announced that they will no longer arrest Assange if he left the Embassy his lawyers would insist they had a no nonsense written assurance to that effect that couldn't be reversed.

And IF that were the case he would be gone, baby, gone...

End of story.

 

I do support fact checkers... as I also do not support Trump's alternative facts.. .so 1984 of him

 

What does Trumps idiocy have to do with your claim that Assange was exposing "secrets" and that doing so go people killed ?

 

That's a funny way to spell Russian puppet.

 

Ah, the usual response of the intellectually challenged. Go straight into ad hominen attack mode.

 

Sorry, but when you call someone a conscientious journalist, the fact that they are not a conscientious journalist is fair game. Acting as a puppet for partisan political interest =/= being a conscientious journalist. Though it is really entertaining to see people compain about ad homimen attacks while making ad hominem attacks. Comedy gold.

 

What a pathetic load of nonsense. Your only comment to the posters comment was that the messenger was a Russian puppet. Ad Hom/Logical Fallacy by definition.

Give one instance where Assange has disseminated false information/fake news ?

 

His comment was that he is a conscientious journalist. He is not. He is a political tool. No, that is not an ad hominem fallacy. My concern with Assange is not fake news. My concern with Assange is the fact that he has no objectivity whatsoever and engages in partisan warfare instead of an actual interest in real transparency.

 

Manning exposed a war crime. She didn't kill anyone. Every death in Iraq and the subsequent chaos is the responsibility of those who supported the invasion.

 

Okay let's stop the baiting and debate. I always prefer that.

I say your personal opinion about Assange is an irreality.

Why do I say this?

Well, my working hypothesis is that you are American (correct me if I'm wrong?) because, so far as I can see, it is only really in America where Assange has been fingered as a Russian puppet - albeit without a single piece of proof. He's very well respected elsewhere in the world. In fact, it's now evident this entire affair was a political witch-hunt initiated to deflect attention from the damaging content of the Hilary material he published. And it worked. Shooting the messenger usually works. That's why its an old standby favoured by governments and politicians alike.

The campaign was started by (as I recall but will fact check if you require) by John Podesta and others inside the DNC. The FBI did not examine the DNC servers, forensically, or in any other way. That was left to an entity hired by the DNC. The FBI simply took the DNC's bought report and gave credence to it. No investigation necessary. No evidence either.

This is akin to me standing trial on a criminal offence and finding myself innocent, followed by the police dropping charges and confirming my innocence. It's a nonsense.

Besides this, we now know that the DNC server was not hacked but rather was the result of an in-house leak, because we now know that the speed of the transfer of data from the DNC computer/s was so fast it couldn't have been a remote internet hack. It had to be a leak.

Add to this mix the fact that former UK Ambassador, Craig Murray, has gone on the record to state that he personally took possession of a data stick/thumb drive etc., containing this information during a visit he made to Washington DC, and that this was transmitted to Assange.

However, if you find all this impossible to accept and you'd care to truly test the story and your misapprehension of it, go ahead and try to supply any hard evidence you have that Assange is a Russian asset?

 

Bradley Manning went to prison, and rightly so, for stealing classified files and giving them to Assange who had urged him to do so. Assange deserves the same treatment as Manning.

 

I have to stop you right there. The dude had a show on RT. He tried to discredit Russian leaks. He has constantly tip-toed around Putin. The idea that only Americans have noticed is complete nonsense.

 

No one cared about the release of the cabals until the US military were embarrassed by the disclosures. The fuss about the release of the identities of the Afghan interpreters was fake. Those interpreters were left to rot at the end of the war, many along with their families were murdered by the Taliban. They asked and deserved to be let into the US but were turned down.

 

That doesn't absolve Manning or Assange.

 

So we criticize Germans who were just "good Nazis". "Following orders".
And those that are heroes of FREEDOM we would incarcerate over gov't abuses of power.
Like the Power to declare an item "secret" because it is embarrassing.

If an honest, open jury trial were allowed to consider those items Assange/Manning leaked -
I do not believe they would be found Guilty.
The Federal's judge will deny the Jury that consideration
so a jury must either go rogue or serve as a rubber stamp.
Just because the gov't says it is Top Secret doesn't mean it is true!


I remember when the Pentagon Papers were released.
And there was nothing new to me there.
I had read it all already on anti Vietnam War leaflets.
Just a history of involvement in Vietnam, "Top Secret".
It was hardly a secret. Just an embarrassment.


Moi

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I don't know of any country that doesn't have such a thing as Classified Information.

 

Yes
But, classified information has limits in a FREE society.
Such as material that is already public knowledge as the Pentagon Papers. See Above!

A jury should be able to weigh that evidence when judging a violation of security.
Was it truly Top Secret for the nation's security or as usual, an embarrassment or convenience.

 

People who have access to classified information have a sworn duty not to release it to anyone who does not have security clearance. That's what Manning went to jail for and Assange participated in that crime.

 

When does that "sworn duty" become Nazism?
Can't have it both way.
See #90 above.

Sworn duty also swears to uphold the interests of the nation, by intent.
Not just "following orders".

 

Then you are one of those who has no respect for the traditional freedoms of the press under the 1st Amendment and it's role as the "people's watchdog", to keep the state in balance and for speaking truth to power.

Your foregoing confession indicates that you favour a totalitarian form of government than completely controls all aspects of the media rather than a democracy - which is what the US has been known for a very long time (until 2 years ago anyway).

 

'crime' It wasn't a crime, it was a valuable public service to reveal how effing useless the US and UK militaries are. You should be grateful to them for pointing it out to you.

 

Given the opportunity to debate intelligently, and provide hard evidence that Assange is a Russian asset, you refused to jump the first fence. Colour me wholly unsurprised.

You have just demonstrated, that in your narrow-focus myopic world, someone who appeared on RT automatically amounts to an admission of guilt that they're a Russian asset. It's crass nonsense. Pure and simple.

The logic, or rather the illogic you use, is not only circular but is not at all dissimilar to that used by the Vatican 350 years ago to suppress and punish the 15th century astronomer and physicist, Galileo, for having the temerity to say the Earth circles the Sun and not the other way round.

Below are again the central facts I earlier mentioned for discussion that you refuse to debate.

Turning to RT, the following link names over 2300 VIP guests who have appeared on RT in recent years and include some of the most respected names from US, British and European political, diplomatic, military and media circles including US hate-Russia politician, John McCain (see HERE).

Everyone of them - according to your present state of stupefaction - is a Russian asset. Truly incredible.

 

He wasn't just a guest. He. Had. A. Show. On. Russian. Propaganda. Television. He tried discrediting Russian leaks instead of publishing them. Much of his funding comes from the Russians. Plenty of people have called him out on this. But please, continue simply ignoring these facts while pretending to have an interest in "debating intelligently." I'm still here should you ever decide to address the facts instead of slinging straw men.

 

There you go again refusing to debate the facts but instead desperately trying to deflect towards a hysterical meme that only has any validity in the US, and barely any other place in the world.

The clear take away from this is this. You can't or won't debate the facts. You can't present any hard evidence to support your conspiracy theory that Assange is a Russian asset.

End of story.

So to repeat:

Well, my working hypothesis is that you are American (correct me if I'm wrong?) because, so far as I can see, it is only really in America where Assange has been fingered as a Russian puppet - albeit without a single piece of proof. He's very well respected elsewhere in the world. In fact, it's now evident this entire affair was a political witch-hunt initiated to deflect attention from the damaging content of the Hilary material he published. And it worked. Shooting the messenger usually works. That's why its an old standby favoured by governments and politicians alike.

The campaign was started by (as I recall but will fact check if you require) by John Podesta and others inside the DNC. The FBI did not examine the DNC servers, forensically, or in any other way. That was left to an entity hired by the DNC. The FBI simply took the DNC's bought report and gave credence to it. No investigation necessary. No evidence either.

This is akin to me standing trial on a criminal offence and finding myself innocent, followed by the police dropping charges and confirming my innocence. It's a nonsense.

Besides this, we now know that the DNC server was not hacked but rather was the result of an in-house leak, because we now know that the speed of the transfer of data from the DNC computer/s was so fast it couldn't have been a remote internet hack. It had to be a leak.

Add to this mix the fact that former UK Ambassador, Craig Murray, has gone on the record to state that he personally took possession of a data stick/thumb drive etc., containing this information during a visit he made to Washington DC, and that this was transmitted to Assange.

However, if you find all this impossible to accept and you'd care to truly test the story and your misapprehension of it, go ahead and try to supply any hard evidence you have that Assange is a Russian asset?

The following is a list of US politicians, diplomats, military men etc who have appeared on RT. Seems to me that Assange is in good company.

US Politicians and Political Figures, Government Representatives (incl. Diplomats), and Military Leaders
Name
Adams, Alma
Anderson, Rocky
Baker, James
Baldwin, Tammy
Bellows, Shenna
Berntsen, Gary
Blackburn, Marsha
Bongino, Dan
Brown, Sherrod
Brown, Willie
Buchanan, Pat
Burns, Mark
Carpenter, Tim
Carson, Ben
Castorina, Ronald
Chafee, Lincoln
Cheney, Dick
Chilton, Bart
Clark, Wesley
Cohen, William
Connolly, Gerry
Cramer, Kevin
Cressman, Derek
Crist, Charlie
Crowley, Philip
de la Fuente, Rocky
Dean, Howard
Dean, John
DeFazio, Peter
Denninger, Karl
Edwards, Donna
Ellison, Keith
Ellmers, Renee
Favreau, Jon
Flynn, Michael T.
Frank, Barney
Freeman Jr., Charles W.
Fuller, Graham
Gabbard, Tulsi
Gallucci, Robert
Gilmore, Jim
Ginsberg, Marc
Gipson, Mike
Graham, Bob
Graham, Lindsey
Graham, Malcolm
Gravel, Mike
Grayson, Alan
Guiliani, Rudy
Gutierrez, Luis
Halper-Hayes, Jan
Hart, Gary
Hayden, Michael
Herbst, John E.
Hertling, Mark
Hill, Christopher
Holtzman, Elizabeth
Huntsman, Jon
Jayapal, Pramila
Jordan, Robert
Jett, Dennis
Johnson, Gary
Jolly, David
Jones, Walter
Kantor, Mickey
Kattouf, Theodore H.
Kellogg, Keith
Kennedy, Patrick
Keyes, Alan
Kingston, Jack
Kleeb, Jane
Kurtzer, Daniel
Lawson, B.J.
Lee, Barbara
Lieberman, Joe
Lieu, Ted
Limbert, John
Lippold, Kirk
Luers, William
Mack IV, Connie
Malmgren, Pippa
Mansoor, Peter
Martin, Ed
Matlock, Jack
McCain, John
McCormick, Kevin
McDermott, Jim
McKeon, Buck
McKinley, Brunson
McKinney, Cynthia
Menconi, Arn
Mendelson, Phil
Mitchell, George
Morell, Michael
Moyowasifza-Curry, Sedinam Kinamo Christin
Murphy, Chris
Nader, Ralph
Nagl, John
Newsom, Gavin
Ney, Bob
Nolan, Rick
Norton, Eleanor Holmes
Obama, Michelle
Page, Carter
Pai, Ajit
Paul, Ron
Pauline, Frank
Perry, William
Petersen, Austin
Pickering, Thomas
Pocan, Mark
Popadiuk, Roman
Prince, Erik
Puryear, Eugene
Quinn, Kenneth M.
Randolph, Lonnie
Rangel, Charlie
Reich, Robert
Reid, William Ferguson
Richardson, Bill
Ridge, Tom
Rohrabacher, Dana
Ronan, Samuel
Rumsfeld, Donald
Russell, Steve
Ryan, Paul
Ryan, Tim
Rybak, R. T.
Sanders, Bernie
Sanders, Jane
Sawant, Kshama
Sbaih, Jesse
Schiff, Adam
Schlapp, Matt
Schock, Aaron
Schweikert, David
Sherman, Brad
Simpson, Dan
Spicer, Sean
Spitzer, Eliot
Springmann, Michael
Steele, Michael
Stein, Jill
Stockman, David
Sununu, John
Swing, William L.
Tancredo, Tom
Taylor, Chris
Taylor, Lena
Taylor, Scott
Terry, Lee
Townsend, Kathleen Kennedy
Trump, Donald
Turner, Nina
Vallely, Paul E.
Van Hollen, Chris
Ventura, Jesse
Villaraigosa, Antonio
Weaver, Jeff
Weiner, Anthony
Wenstrup, Brad
West, Allen
Wilkerson, Lawrence
Williams, Jumaane
Wilson, Joseph
Wisner, Frank G.
Woolsey, James
Wright, Ann
Wyden, Ron
Yarmuth, John

Next post I'll list all the British categories and names. And then the Europeans etc. Might as well drive home how crazy the 2016 US meme was and... is.

 

There you go not only ignoring the facts but trying to rewrite them yet again. He didn't just appear on the show. He HAD his OWN show on Russia propaganda television. Once you are able to digest this fact, we can move on to the next. But if you can't acknowledge basic objective reality, we'll have to slow down and look at the facts one at a time. Let me know when you are done with that particularly abysmal strawman.