Trump co-defendant takes plea deal, agrees to testify in Georgia election case

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  1. DEFinning

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    The short version, is that Hall acted as a facilitator, to get some of those working with Sydney Powell, litigating the big lie (stolen election) defense, in to Coffee County offices, to illegally scan ballots & breach Dominion voting machine results. This was on January 7th.

    In his plea deal, Hall got no jail time, but 5 years of probation (plus a $5k fine, and a couple hundred hours of community service). Among the conditions of that probation, include Hall's continued cooperation with prosecutors, and his testifying at trials of any of his co-defendants.

    Some are noting that this fairly light sentence, may make cooperation look more appealing, to some of those who may be considering that option. So, does this crack in the wall, start to spread, and to how great of fault, does it lead?



    https://www.google.com/amp/s/abcnews.go.com/amp/US/trump-defendant-charged-georgia-election-interference-case-takes/story?id=103610288


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    As part of the deal, Hall pleaded guilty to five misdemeanor counts of conspiracy to commit intentional interference with performance of election duties.

    He will get probation and has agreed to testify moving forward, including at the trial of other co-defendants.
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    Surely this is all a conspiracy against the great dear leader who didndo nuffin wrong.

    Totally innocent
     
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  3. DEFinning

    DEFinning Well-Known Member Donor

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    I'm sure that's the story, Trump will be sticking to.
     
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    DEFinning Well-Known Member Donor

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    This is the sort of coincidence, that will fly under the radar, because most will consider it trivial, and merely random, but it is the kind of synchronicity in events, in which I see some Greater Force, with an ironic sense of humor:

    I got a text this evening, from Ebay, telling me that it is National COFFEE Day... on the same day as Hall takes his plea deal, for his part in the election interference, perpetrated in COFFEE County!

    Does no one else, find that the least bit freaky or, at least, amusing?
     
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  5. FreshAir

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    this is only the start, many more will flip now that the video has come out
     
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    I repeat my prediction.

    In a few months, there will be so many defendants who want to testify for the prosecution that we will no longer count them.

    I wouldn't be surprised if Trump pleads guilty with a reduced sentence before his trials begin.

    All his trials...
     
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    First conviction. I guess it was illegal after all!
     
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    Can't wait for all the excuses. The democrat big red machine is making innocent people plead guilty. This guy just pleas guilty to avoid embrassing Biden and democrats.
     
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    Oh...so you can read his mind, ey? He is innocent, yet he has just pleaded guilty, something you do under oath, and only after stern warning and relevant questioning from the Court (I understand) in the USA. Well done!
     
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    But, but, but….I was assured that there is honour among thieves…!!
     
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    @omni.......watch...there he is...right hand in the air, and mouthing 'I do.' The plea was under oath.

    Link.
     
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    Indeed. Just ask him. He professes that he is the most innocent person in history. He really HAS to be" on something to make these stupid outrageous comments.

    Glad to see this first one do this . We will be fining out a lot of details that will complete the picture ,
     
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    LOL.. life is just full of such disappointments ;-)
     
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    Let's remember that pleading guilty does not necessarily mean an individual is guilty.
    Many defendants can be coerced into taking plea bargains, if they know there is a risk they could be convicted at trial.

    There is a reason why 56.9% of criminal cases in the state of Georgia end in plea bargains.

    We also always have to question whether terms of a plea bargain agreement, or the threat of additional indictment, could pressure the person to give testimony that is not accurate or truthful.

    A little bit like torture, fear can make a defendant say things that they think the prosecutor wants to hear.
     
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    Similar thought crossed my mind from a different direction because he is ALWAYS the VICTIM so he will be WHINING that the 1st guy only got probation and small fine while he doesn't get the same treatment, that is so UNFAIR, and just goes to show that white MAGA males are being DISCRIMINATED against in society today, amirite?

    Least time will be 5 years in whichever Club Fed facility has a golf course. Somehow that does not seem even close to a fitting punishment for ANYONE who tried to STEAL from 340 million American citizens their RIGHT to have a duly elected government of We the People.

    How about 5 years minimum for EACH of the 91 charges but he has to serve ALL of his terms CONSECUTIVELY so his sentence adds up to 455 years without parole? Can't complain since he was given the LIGHTEST possible prison term under the circumstances, just those pesky sentencing guidelines that are so UNFAIR to white MAGA whiners. ;)
     
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    rotflmao, there is video, they really have no choice
     
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    Just a wild guess. Maybe because the Defendants who pleaded guilty are.....um.......umm.......guilty? Further...got a Link?
     
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    Pizzing myself laughing. The State of Georgia ey? Ripper Rita!!!! Ya know Elde Fruit, maybe there comes a time when it is best to know some stuff about geography and about other 'States' called 'Georgia.'

    FMD....if this was not so funny it would be of Shakespearean tragedy epic proportions!!!! Read and weep/laugh/whatever, ferfuxsake.....

    Link.

    Yer off me Christmas card list, Mate.
     
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    Are ALL defendants coerced or just those in Trumps circle The lengths some will go to defend the indefinable can be rather creative. ;-)
     
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    Are you sure it wasn't national "COVFEFE" day?
     
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    Now THAT was totally enjoyable !!!! made my evening !!!!
     
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    Heard there was a BOGO sale!
    The little fish will take the bait and the big fish won't, leaving them little choice.
    I think by the trial date there won't be much of a defense left for Trump, who will never take a plea deal until the day the jury retires for deliberation, if his lawyers can get through to him.
     
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    Not my work. The trivial musings of one of my favourite satirical political writers on Forums...Karnal.

     
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    Omni had been predicting what Trump supporters/MAGA folks, are going to say, to spin it. He wasn't giving those excuses, himself. You may (or may not) be confusing Omni with another member, Space_Time; their avatars are somewhat alike-- I made that mistake myself, before I became familiar with omni's posts.

    If you want to see a true, "But, but..." I quoted Kazenatsu, who is on the Right, but not your classic MAGA. He just points out that people sometimes-- I'd even say "often"-- take deals, just to avoid the risk of the greater punishment, if found guilty. Even if one is innocent, it is impossible to be absolutely sure, how a jury will rule. Plus, for the usually extended wait for a trial, one has this in the public record, hanging over them-- if say, a prospective employer, does a background check. Additionally, in this case, Hall would be looking at massive legal bills (unless Trump was paying for his lawyer). So I have to admit, strictly as a theoretical argument, Kaz's point is valid. Hall's defense counsel offers up some spin, as well, along similar lines as Hall just wanted to have this over & done with, and not over his head. See below, I will quote some of an article, from FOX NEWS, Atlanta.


    Oh wait, Bush lawyer-- I now see Kazenatsu has added an edit to his post, speculating that Hill might give false testimony against others: and now the conspiracy dust count, is reaching an elevated level.

    .

    Aw Kaz, you had started off so reasonably, even got me to kind of defend you (see my answer just above this one, to Bush Lawyer), then you let your distrust of the Court system get the better of you.

    You gave me a chuckle, with that. I think though, the play here, is going to be that it is not indicative of much, no big deal and, besides, this does not tie directly to Trump. See above, Kazenatsu's post (quoted)-- though of course he cuts his own path, and is not the typical Trumpoholic (or typical anything), even if they overlap. Note: I'd written this before I got to my reply for Kaz, at which point I saw that he did add on a conspiracy dimension, to his post (and I moved it from the ending quote, to the middle one).

    Your post made me check to see how FOX is reporting it, but their print material is not as biased as their broadcasts. In fact the FOX NEWS Atlanta article, I will link & snip some of, was very neutral, and was more informative than any of the others I'd read. It reminded me that, for example, a condition of the plea deal which I'd left out of my OP, was that Hill needs to write a letter of apology, to Georgia voters. Another stipulation which I hadn't even heard, before, was that Hill must stay out of politics for 5 years, as part of his probation. It did let Hill's lawyer present some spin, but that, we have to admit, is actually part of fair & balanced reporting.


    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fo...eal-in-georgia-election-interference-case.amp


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    Hall, who was also one of the first of the 19 indicted in the RICO case to turn himself in, entered the plea before Fulton County Superior Court Judge Scott McAfee Friday afternoon.

    As part of the sweeping indictment, Fulton County District Attorney Fani Wilis initially charged Hall with two counts of felony conspiracy to commit election fraud, three counts of conspiracy to commit a felony, a violation of the Georgia Racketeering Influenced and Corrupt Organization Act, and conspiracy to defraud the state or political subdivision.

    Hall has agreed to 5-years probation, one for each count. He is to refrain from polling activities while on probation. Hall also must pay a $5,000 fine.

    In addition, Hall must write a letter of apology to the citizens of the state of Georgia, perform 200 hours of community service, and fully cooperate with the Fulton County DA's Office.

    He further cannot communicate with the victims, witnesses, or codefendant.

    Hall is also under a gag order preventing him from speaking to the press.

    Hall's attorney Jeff Weiner, who was in court with him Friday, said under the deal, his client's record will be wiped clean after he completes probation. The agreement allows Hall to avoid the stress of "living under a serious felony indictment" without knowing when he might go to trial, the attorney said.

    "This way, it's over," Weiner said. "He can sleep well and get on with his life."

    Weiner said Hall does not know much about the alleged conspiracy, and he would be surprised if prosecutors called him to testify.
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    LOL! Good one!
     
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