Trump co-defendant takes plea deal, agrees to testify in Georgia election case

It's better than that. Read ^^^^^. The State of Georgia.

 

This might hint that it had never really been Fani Willis's expectation, that she would need put all of the 18 (then 16) defendants, together, in one trial-- that is, at least, not all as defendants.

 

But there IS reason to be skeptical and distrust the court system in this case. Any time it's in a Democrat area and the case has any connection to Trump whatsoever.

Look, I'm not going to say I know for certain this man is not guilty, or should not spend time in prison, or is not going to get the correct amount of prison time he should get. Maybe the prosecutor really is going to be ethical and try to go to extra lengths to try to ensure that she does not pressure the defendant into giving testimony against others that is not true. I don't know.
I'm just saying there exists particular reason to be skeptical in this situation.

The fact is, the prosecutor IS putting pressure on that defendant to give testimony against other accused people. That is something that is not in dispute.

 

Very nice work Bushy…!

 

If you're referring to your "LINK," in your post to Kazenatsu-- I'm pretty sure that is talking about the country of Georgia, not the U.S. state of Georgia.

 

Why? Because of the stat you quoted for the State of Georgia. This one:

You did mean the one where Atlanta is the Capital, yes?

 

Are you? Why would anyone give a flying flamingo, in this discussion, about a plea of guilty in the US State of George about some number relevant to the European Country of Georgia?

I'd love to see more digging of this hole!

Carry on.

 

That is a normal reason why prosecutors give plea bargains, in the first place. If you look at the earlier material in the thread, you will see all kinds of information, you seem not to have. For one, Hill was sentenced, and got 5 years probation, no prison time. At the bottom of the post, in which I'd included you, is a snip from a good FOX NEWS Atlanta article, in which Hall's defense lawyer, at any rate, says he would be "surprised" if Hill is called to testify (because he doesn't know anything about the conspiracy, as far as the lawyer knows). As far as his guilt, though, Kaz, they have him dead to rights.

 

The most fundamental reason IS always that the Defendant is genuinely guilty of the offence to which they pleaded guilty.

 

at Fraudster Trump's elderly old age, he may as well wait as long as he can, he is almost 80

 

Not sure WTF you are saying, but this was your quote, wasn't it, mate?

Bush Lawyer said: ↑
Pizzing myself laughing. The State of Georgia ey? Ripper Rita!!!! Ya know Elde Fruit, maybe there comes a time when it is best to know some stuff about geography and about other 'States' called 'Georgia.'

FMD....if this was not so funny it would be of Shakespearean tragedy epic proportions!!!! Read and weep/laugh/whatever, ferfuxsake.....

Link.

Yer off me Christmas card list, Mate.
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So, when you replied with this very non-specific reference--

Bush Lawyer said: ↑
It's better than that. Read ^^^^^. The State of Georgia.

-- I remembered that link, above, from your earlier post to Kazenatsu. And when one uses your link, they get what appears to be information about plea bargaining, in the court system of the country of Georgia. You are aware that there is a nation, with that name? Take a look--again, from the link you offered to Kazenatsu:






So I did not say anything to start the digging of any "hole," at least not, for me. I would note that I have already seen (and corrected you for) your mistaking Omni's saying that he could hardly wait to start seeing the MAGA excuses, to be Omni's giving those excuses, himself, which he was not doing. So it would be wise of someone as prone to errors as you clearly are, to not be so quick on the draw, with your allegations, insults, or insinuations towards others, when something you read, seems confused; because there seems a good chance, that it is you, not the person you are reading, who is the source of that confusion.

So, since you linked a pdf about the country Georgia's legal system, and you were up for seeing continued digging of this hole, why don't you answer your own question:

"Why would anyone give a flying flamingo, in this discussion, about a plea of guilty in the US State of George about some number relevant to the European Country of Georgia?"

 

@DEFinning...if you read...you will see that Kaz has posted a stat about the Country of Georgia.....not the State of Georgia.

He stuffed up.

 

Being "guilty" is not always a simple thing. Especially when it comes to these sorts of cases, it seems.

The fact that the Trump-hating Democrats who gloat about these cases can't say exactly and precisely what the accused person did, seems to suggest it's not just a simple issue.

And you know why? Because if they did say the exact facts, then it probably wouldn't be so obvious that person was guilty, and it would open up the argument to debate, something wacky progs can't stand, just like garlic and vampires, or vampires in direct sunlight.

Face it, "Bush Lawyer", all you have is characterizations of what the accused did. (loud and insistent claims they did a certain sort of bad thing, but you can't or won't explain exactly how; how what they did constitutes that bad thing, exactly)

 

@DEFinning ....see ^^^^^^

The number 56.9% is not about the State of Georgia.....it is about the Country of Georgia. That number is found in the Link I posted which you seem to have not read thoroughly.

From the Link...referring to the COUNTRY of Georgia:

 

I'm sorry. It looks like I made a mistake there and you are correct.
But I suspect the number that go to trial in the state is even lower. Which would only help make the point I was trying to make.

 

You don't seem to understand how it can be a logical decision for a defendant to plead guilty in a plea bargain, even when there is only a 1 in 2, or sometimes even lower than that chance of being found guilty in a trial. Or the psychological fear that is at play, that can push people to plead guilty, if they are afraid of the possibility of a very long prison term.

You also don't seem to understand the myriad of ways a defendant could be found guilty in a trial, even if they should not be found guilty.

You are aware, aren't you, that very often defendants plead guilty to get OUT of prison, if they couldn't pay the bail? So you've already been in prison for 6 months, and then you're given a choice between spending only 4 more months in prison, or likely spending another 8 to 10 months in prison, and then risking a trial where you could be sentenced to maybe another year or two. So most rational people in that situation would just plead guilty. Prosecutors are under pressure not to allow too many of the cases to go to trial.

 

Yes, but it was not clear, that this is what you had been referring me to, in your vague comment. I had initially clicked on your link, reading that post to Kaz. I had only seen the large print heading, though had not been interested in reading the document. But, when you pointed me to "Read ^^^^^. The State of Georgia," it seemed to be referring me back to your link because, on first glimpse, all I had seen was that it was about Georgia plea bargaining. Naturally, I had assumed this meant, for the state of Georgia. So, I went back to actually read it. Then, finding out your link to Kaz had actually been about the country of Georgia, I nicely filled you in on this, thinking that, obviously, you had not read it very carefully, so just assumed from the title, as I had initially done. But, your response was anything but nice, as you began mocking me-- the person letting you know, that your link about Georgia, was really about another country, not the U.S. state, of the same name.

Therefore, your explanation of what you had meant, is moot. You should be clearer with your words. Nowhere in your post to me, did you tell me to see Kaz's post, for "the state of Georgia." FYI, this entire thread revolves around "the state of Georgia." You need to be a bit more specific. My reply to you, was:

DEFinning said: ↑
If you're referring to your "LINK," in your post to Kazenatsu-- I'm pretty sure that is talking about the country of Georgia, not the U.S. state of Georgia.
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So I don't know how the F. you wouldn't know what I was referring to. And if you'd bothered to check up on what I was telling you, you would have seen that I was right, and so, presumably, would not have asked me, what the country of Georgia has to do with any of this. Of course, had you been more careful about what you were linking in your posts, that would have avoided the entry of a foreign country into the conversation, at all. Though I still might not have guessed what you'd been pointing to, identified merely as "the state of Georgia."

 

Thanks for the explanation, finally. But I don't know how the hell you'd expected me to get all of that, from just, "Read^^^^^. The State of Georgia." You could have said, "look at where he's getting his plea bargaining figures (see my Link)."

Had you done that, I would have laughed about it, with you, instead of having been annoyed at your reflexive attack. You cannot assume that everyone reads every single post in a thread-- not to mention, every page of every linked pdf-- and closely follows every conversation. I had seen your post to Kaz, but this--

Bush Lawyer said: ↑
Pizzing myself laughing. The State of Georgia ey? Ripper Rita!!!! Ya know Elde Fruit, maybe there comes a time when it is best to know some stuff about geography and about other 'States' called 'Georgia.'

FMD....if this was not so funny it would be of Shakespearean tragedy epic proportions!!!! Read and weep/laugh/whatever, ferfuxsake.....
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-- looked like gibberish to me, and I did not wish to puzzle over what you might mean by "Ripper Rita," and "Elde Fruit." So you would have needed give me some idea, in your later post to me, what it was, you were pointing for me to see.

 

I agree that BL's post was cryptic but I cut&pasted the part that kaz posted into Google and saw the same thing as BL did as the 1st entry of the search response and then I got the joke.

Sometimes we forget to make our intentions clear because we assume others know what we do.

On the bright side we have an example of the type of fact checking of the posts on this forum. Good to know that it is happening because that lends credibility to the forum and those who make substantive credible posts.

The hard part is to get the other side into the habit of doing it for themselves BEFORE they post.

 

He may be the first, but he won't be the last.

 

Tempting bait in that trap...no jail time...irresistible to RATS!

 

As I posted in the regular Georgia thread, I understand he was working with Powell in Coffee county, but I'd REALLY like this connection explained....



Lowly Georgia Bail Bondsman speaking to the man who was the Acting Attorney General for an afternoon...

 

Yeah, the plea system in the US is at a precarious place in general. It was never meant to coerce guilty pleas, but rather it was meant to be lenient to offenders. But in our judicial system, where prosecutors are incentivized and need to get a guilty conviction, rather than a pursuit of justice wherever it leads, prosecutors would go for the strong armed tactic and hey, it works.

Im not saying that has happened in this case, but rather more than not, prosecutors use this to stat pad their convictions.

 

He was a small fish. About 3 to 4 others fall in that category, and i suspect they too will flip eventually.

 

then you don't understand game theory as applied to the legal field.