Trump co-defendant takes plea deal, agrees to testify in Georgia election case

Okay, enlighten us to the game theory that allows for the US to incarcerate more per person than any other country in the world.

 

The importance of his testimony should be proportional to Trump's reaction.

 

A plea deal is not a flip.

 

Would not the plea be dependant upon complete cooperation with the prosecution…?

 

I'm leery of plea deals in political cases. Was the offer "20 years or tell us what we want to hear."
But don't let me rain on you party.

 

No

 

“He will get probation and has agreed to testify moving forward, including at the trial of other co-defendants.”

Sounds like cooperation to me…

 

Agreeing to testify doesn't mean he's flipped. It only means he has agreed to testify.

 

I have provided you as much information as I can, including a listing of what had been the original charges, on which Hall had been indicted, if you read my posts. I'm not sure of what, exactly you are suspicious: the means by which the truth comes out?

 

I use an economy of words, and assume that if I ask someone to 'read' yhey will understand I actually do have in mind that they will.....um......errr.....read.

 

When I see a weird stat like 56.9 hauled into a discussion, I will always check

 

Lol, that someone who includes phrases like "Ripper Rita" and "Elde fruit," is claiming this is part of an "economy" of words. That expression implies that your words are understandable & direct. Ironic that you do not posses an economy of comprehension, and so force me to repeat my words, that you did not mention what I was to "read." Your only reference was to "the State of Georgia," which, FYI, is not nearly a specific enough indication, for one to know your meaning. Had you said "read my reply to Kaz's claim in post #X" or some such, you could have kept your words to a minimum, and also been clear.

You also gave me no context, to interpret, what I read-- which I, again have already explained to you, that I did start to read something, you'd linked, which was about a foreign country, named Georgia. So I thought that you had mistakenly thought this applied to the state of Georgia. How was I to know, that you were showing the source, used by Kazenatsu (if that is what you were doing)?

So no, I did not read what appeared to be an inapplicable link, "thoroughly"-- since you had given me no clue, as to why I was reading it, or for what I was looking. I would think that someone as interested as yourself in efficiency, would be able to relate to my cutting that reading short. If you cannot see that you were being unclear, let us just forget about it, because it is not worth the effort to argue the point. Apparently, then, any time someone misunderstands one of your-- to use Derideo_Te's description-- "cryptic" posts, you feel it must be that other person's fault, as it would not be possible that your words might have been less than perfectly lucid; therefore any word salad of abuse you throw at them is fully deserved? If so, I will try to keep this in mind, and so answer you (or ignore you) accordingly.

Let me end on this question. Which of these posts, to you consider to be most clear, and exhibiting the greatest economy of words--
1) my reply to your esoteric reference:

DEFinning said: ↑
If you're referring to your "LINK," in your post to Kazenatsu-- I'm pretty sure that is talking about the country of Georgia, not the U.S. state of Georgia.


2) Or your response to that, directed at me:


Bush Lawyer said: ↑
Are you? Why would anyone give a flying flamingo, in this discussion, about a plea of guilty in the US State of George about some number relevant to the European Country of Georgia?

I'd love to see more digging of this hole!

Carry on.

 

@DEFinning


Please read carefully, and with both eyes open. Look for the trick words, so sneaky.

It starts at Post # 14 from Kaz, as follows:

NB, the peculiar number, 56.9% and the words ‘state of Georgia.’ That’s a red flag to anyone who checks facts.

In any man’s language including ‘Strine,’ Kaz is referring to Georgia, a State in the USA where Atlanta is capital, yes? Did you understand that part?

I responded with a request for a Link, which Kaz is yet to produce, and he likely need not now.

Then….do I still have your attention Elde Fruit……..I did a Google and established that the peculiar stat, 56.9%, in fact related to the Country of Georgia in Europe and made a Post, # 18, as follows:

Now, Elde Fruit, note carefully how I refer to ‘geography’ and other ‘States’ (see the quotation marks?) called “Georgia.” How come that did not ring a bell for you?

And did you see the ‘Link.’ If you clicked on it, you’d immediately see that it was all about the *Country of Georgia, and not the American State of Georgia and *that was where Kaz got his peculiar number from. It had nothing to do with the debate, nothing to do with plea deals in the American State having Atlanta as its Capital.

So, we move on.

At Post # 21, MiaBleu got it, as did other who ‘liked.’

At Post # 26, I say to you:

Put that in the context of the previous Posts, and it is obvious. But, to be sure, I also typed ‘^^^^^.’ That means “Look up there, ^^^^^”

See Post # 29. The Ant gets it. Not you?



See your Post 30:

You’re damn right it was about the Country, and that, Elde fruit, is the whole bleeding blindingly obvious bloody point! Kaz stuffed up with his stat. It had nothing to do with the place where Atlanta is Capital, the place under discussion about plea deals, the 56.9% was about a European Country.

I reply at Post # 32:

I could not be more clear, drawing the distinction between the two different places.

Your very long post # 36 drags me into some discussion concerning Omni I had nothing to do with, and you included a huge cut ‘n past (from my Link) which again missed the point, the 56.9% stat. You were doing some more silly digging into irrelevancies.

I reply succinctly with Post # 37:

From there on, it is self explanatory.

All you had to do was follow the bouncing ball in context and read ^^^^^ and the Link, which always was about the Country Georgia which Kaz incorrectly thought was the State of Georgia where Atlanta is Capital.

'Elde fruit' is derived from Elde English, and basically means 'Mate.' 'Ripper Rita' is a bit of Aussie slang, meaning and in this usage, dripping with sarcasm, 'you beauty.'

 

I will be far more concise, than you. Your post is a waste of space. I have no need of reading your explanation, as I now have the gist of it. My current understanding, you seem not to appreciate, has nothing to do with what I had known at the time of your inscrutable post, & your subsequent, rude response, to my lack of understanding all that you are now trying to explain.

I had not considered Kazenatsu's argument-- that one could infer anything, just based on a court's plea bargain rate-- to have any credibility, regardless of what that rate was. Therefore-- think about it-- why would I pay attention to your debating against an argument, that I already considered negligible? Your denseness about this, forces me to inform you, a third time, that I had not been focused on following your debate with Kaz.

Please open your own eyes, and ears.

 

And, of course, it is reasonable to expect others, who live in the U.S., where these expressions aren't used, to yet know these things?

 

Therein lies the problem. You had not read what I posted or the context, yet you dove in.

 

I had no expectation. I simply used my terminology in a discussion (silly me, I know ~ how bizarre.) as is only natural.

 

You don't even know what point, you are debating. I pointed to this language of yours, in response to your claim that you were a poster who'd communicated with an "economy of words." By all means, use your family's own, private language, for all I care-- but don't expect any concurrence from others, with your pronouncements about how efficiently, you communicate.

Secondly, you continue to assume, that your replying to me, puts the onus on me, to be familiar with your entire, preceding conversation, with someone else (though I've already explained to you, I saw that argument you were debating, as pointless). Likewise, discussing this with you, is clearly pointless; which is why I had said, several posts ago, that if you could not see things from my perspective, we should just drop the discussion.
¿Comprende?

 

Sure, I understand. You just keep on rationalising, Old Boy. No skin off my nose.

PS...learn when to use a comma.

Verstahen?

 

Yes he can pay $5000 else pay a lawyer 5 times that to go to trial on a minor charge.

"Hall must also write a letter of apology to the citizens of the state of Georgia and is under a gag order prohibiting him from speaking to the press.

He is a minor figure in the grand plot that District Attorney Fani Willis alleges Trump orchestrated to overturn Democrat Joe Biden's victory and stay in power. Still, the plea deal is a win for Willis as she advances her racketeering case against Trump.

Hall's attorney Jeff Weiner, who was in court with him Friday, said that under the deal, his client's record will be wiped clean after he completes probation. The agreement allows Hall to avoid the stress of "living under a serious felony indictment" without knowing when he might go to trial, the attorney said.

"The nightmare is over for my client," Weiner told Fox News Digital, adding that the plea agreement is an "excellent resolution" to Hall's case. "
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ge...o-defendant-pleads-guilty-fulton-county-court

How is it stealing something when it is official offered to you by the official in charge of it?

 

You must be kidding. So if a loading dock foreman, or a shipping clerk, invited you to take merchandise being delivered to a business, which he obviously did not own, or have the right to give to you-- you would try to use that defense, after police had picked you up, for grand larceny? "But the guy on the loading dock, said I could take it!"

 

I hate to tell you, but that has evolved to be a standard pillar of the American "justice" system. The system has come to rely on plea bargains, and pushing defendants into pleading guilty. The court system would become completely clogged up--worse than it already is--if every person was given the benefit of a trial.

 

Exactly-- which is the reason that there is absolutely no reason to suspect something shady, about this plea deal.

 

That's kind of flawed logic.
I think, perhaps, what you mean to say is that the prosecutor coercing him into a plea bargain is not a reason, standing all by itself, to believe that there is obviously something strange or abnormal about the case.

It could be sign this might be shady but is not really evidence of being so.
To use an analogy, it would kind of be like if a witness told police that a bank robber had brown eyes, and later they began investigating a certain suspect who happened to have brown eyes.

 

No, not at all. A much better analogy, would be if the witness said that the culprit's eyes were brown, and so once this suspect was arrested, he contended that the police had focused on just him, based on his eye color, without any proof of this.