Trump hates MSNBC

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  1. LangleyMan

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    We should be thoughtful about how we change our "first past the post" voting system. That said, I'm game to try, especially at the state level.

    https://www.newyorker.com/news/q-and-a/can-ranked-choice-voting-save-american-democracy
     
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    No. There are all kinds of candidates. It is a people choice. In the parliamentary system people actually vote for the ideology and the party handles the HR.
     
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    But they still got sued. Win or lose it cost them a ton of money and bad publicity. They cannot even exist without Maddow if they can push her out it is a win.
     
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    Yes they did, and that is illegal how?

    Personally, they got sued because they did not follow the rules of jounalism integrity. They knew what Trump was saying. They chose to go with Trump. Now they face the legal consequences of such. But not the same with MSNBC in the details.

    Look Fox has made it a habbit of criticizing pretty much anyone and everyone who is not a conservative. That is the motus operendi, especially with their opinionated programming such as Hannity, Tucker when he was on, and others in the past. Most of the time, what they say cannot get sued. But with the big lie, perpetuating internet conspiracies when their staff, even Ruport Murdoch said in an email that this was a complete falsehood, that is why they got sued all because Fox News was afraid of what MEGA conservatives would do if they reported the truth. So, why do you think Fox settled out of court? Because any trial, as public as it may be, would have been far worse than the settlement agreed upon.

    Look, you need to look at the demographics who watch cable news from Fox News to CNN to MSNBC. There are mostly the 55 and up range. Young people generally don't watch Rachel Meadow. They get their sources from Tik Tok, YT, Internet, and Social Media sites. They want the quick 5 to 10 minute videos. I personally still watch PBS Newshour from time to time. I really liked Chris Wallace because he can ask direct questions without being confrontational. And there are others I like especially in the format of Crossfire on CNN. But the point is that different groups get their news from different sources. And MSNBC will be fine with or without Rachel Meadows.
     
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    A year out from an election and based off phone calls.

    Recent elections show republicans are weakening across the nation — unsurprisingly seeing they are forcing women to carry dead fetuses in them and mandating 13 year olds carry their rapists child to term.
     
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    Typical tactic. Run away, but equivocate on the way out.... LOL
     
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    The laptop, and the content of the laptop have been owned by Hunter. The assessment of the 42 US incels was that the laptop was actually Russian Misinformation designed to damage the then presidential candidate... turns out, it was real. So, the obvious question is why those 42 Intel folks chose to sign the letter that obviously wasn't factual? I assert looking back in hindsight that this likely then was the Russian Disinformation that folks were so concerned with.
     
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    Spot on!!! The core issue is that he will be "tampering" with freedom of the press.......and that should be a full on red alert to anyone that s still conscious.
     
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    In modern justice "legal" has nothing to do with it. As you certainly know "justice" today is 24/7 lawfare, using the media to create the narrative that suits them.
    Meanwhile the lawyers are milking it to Maui.
     
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    Feel free to actually talk evidence. I won't exactly be holding my breath. Nor is your fantasy world in which strawmen are fine worth considering.
     
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    No one really knows what the laptop said. When it started, it was nude pictures and similar content, all released by Guiliani in his copy of a copy. Then it went to emails and other acts in 2020. Second, the FBI has had the laptop since 2019, with not even a Trump era DOJ releasing the information. Washington Post did a forensic analysis of the copy and found serious flaws in which folders were created AFTER the copy. This is the copy that Rudy Guiliani had. Furthermore, Rudy Guiliani has had contacts with those who were close to Russia. We also know that Burisma IT Server in Ukraine was hacked in 2020 and that is when the emails about Hunter started to spring up.

    Most of the information being presented is either incomplete, misquoted, misstated, or misrepresented. Furthermore, there is no doubt that Putin wanted Trump in the WH. Makes Putin's Job easier in what he can do. Trump kept NATO divided, which Putin used as part of his calculation to invade Ukraine in 2022. Now, NATO is as united as ever and I don't think Trump will be allowing military and humanitarian aid to Ukraine unless he gets something personal out of it, that is staying in office like forever.
     
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    They'd lose viewers, just as Fox would do if they gave equal time to Biden or other prominent Democrats.

    When I was a child, there were three broadcast networks. In order to broadcast commercials, they had to agree to a certain number of hours each day for news and information, free of ads. Advertisers are why the Fairness Doctrine was created ... corporate America found that they had the money and power to direct programming by pressuring the big three regarding content and sponsorship money.

    The demise of fair reporting died via corporate greed.
     
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    Whether it is bonds, lawsuits, or criminal defense, it is a business, pretty much like everything else. But justice is slow, not stupid. Those who face justice in a criminal nature will have a trial based on the evidence. The DA has to prove beyond a reasonable doubt. Lawsuits have to prove on a slightly lower standard. This has been done for decades with rules on procedure guiding most of the way. Nothing new. The only difference is who is being charged or who is being sued. That is the only difference. And you don't like it when one of your own, like Trump or Fox, is sued because they did wrong.
     
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    If Trump hates MSNBC, that should be interpreted as MSNBC is doing a good job. (and is reporting accurately about HIM)

    His "hatred" is a compliment ;-)
     
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    So we are supposed to pretend MSNBC is somehow different than NBC?

    You think the NBC Newsroom and MSNBC aren't sharing resources?

    Let's ask NBC themselves;

    "We've had great success combining TV, desktop, mobile and iTV (Internet TV) where the value is greater than the sum of the parts," he said. "That requires both the brand alignment and product integration that is possible only with a wholly owned unit."


    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/wbna48180815

    All of it is owned by NBC Universal, and absolutley this company relies on publicly owned airwaves.
     
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    And that is something , his supporters refuse to accept. They treat him as exceptional and thus the Law is twisted against him. They can't (won't) seem to see any blame or responsibility that he is accountable for. They can't/won't even consider the crimes he committed unless he has been "convicted". When that happens , they will deny that too.(and blame everyone but Trump, including the system itself) They live in a very strange "reality"
     
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    Hogwash. That ship has sailed, at least at the federal level. Lawyers are nothing but mercenaries.
     
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    MSNBC is seditious.
     
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    What do you mean by "no one"? Of course folks know what's on the laptop. More, the content of the laptop has been made public several times. Do you distrust the facts in front of you? If so, why? I think you'd find it hard to substantiate that the WAPO is a credible actor here, or that they have anyone besides Jeff Bezos' interests at heart. You make a lot of libelous assertions in your post. So, this is you, attempting to deflect from the facts, is that a fair assessment? I think so.
     
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    But, but,............HUNTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
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    So this is you, who screamed about a criminal president for years vis a vis Trump, now expressing your willingness to entirely ignore the criminality of the current President Biden... Sure, you're credible....Not LMAO...
     
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    LOL. Now you are making redocukous excuses. Let's see, is Mike Johnson a mercenary? How about Linsey Hraham? Sidney Powell? John Eastman? Turley? Are any of these lawyers "mercernaries?"

    The fact is a grand jury in four separate jurisdictions have recommended criminal charges. Trump has lawyers to defend him on court. They will get paid for services rendered just like any other job. Just like doctors or even persons in the skilled trade industries. Even public defenders generally are paid or reimbursed for court expenses.

    Trump has been given complete deference in all of his criminal indictments. He has violated gage orders numerous times and yet has had only to pay a court fine of $15k. If Trump was any other person, he ass would have been in jail by now. Sen. Menendez is also facing criminal charges, so is Hunter Biden, whether he had a plea deal or not.

    Your argument 8s not reality. You have been sold a bill of goofs, snake oil, by those who are making every excuse for yhe actions of one man, want rules for that one man to be different, set apart, from everyone else. Do you really think the arguments for the justice system is gou g to be qpplied to everyone else? Oh hell no.
     
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    You lay want to look closer at his story. I have no doubt he received "a laptop." But he said that it had a "Beau Hunter" bumper sticker, yet his security cameras were off that day, he never saw who came in to turn in the laptop, and assumed it was Hunter Biden. Hunter at that time was living in California, so why take a laptop to a Delaware computer repair shop? Furthermore, when he made a copy of the hard drive, it only had 4 GB of information. Yhqt is one average size flash drive of 5 GB. Guiliwnis copy had more than 8 GB of data, at least the one the Washington Post examined.

    There is no name of the repair slip in which he has. Just a phone number. That too is,l suspicious. How many people you know that goes to a mom and pip computer repair store and does not get yheir name, phone number or address for a repair slip? None would be the correct answer. Joe Biden was not in office in 2019. And thus, no security issues were enacted to protect his identity. If there was, then a fictitious name would have been used.

    There are many holes to h8s story. I was upset he got death threats. But no one should have gotten death threats, should they?

    So, the FBILI had the laptop for two years. The Senate was controlled by the GOP and no a single one, no committee asked what info was on the laptop during the Trump Administration. And now, all of a,sudden, in 2021 to now, it has become an issue? Please, this is like blaming your dog ate your real homework after the teacher has already graded the one you turned in and have gotten a failing grade.
     
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    Jack Smith and lawyers like him have no sense of right and wrong. It is determined by who they are ordered to destroy.
    They walk right over the facts, and bury the truth for the person who hired them. There is no Justice in the USA's "Just Us" department.
    All other views and opinions are blocked out to make a plausible argument.
    A million words do not make a truth.
     
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    So does,Trump. I guess he is a leftist too huh?
     

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