Trump: I'd love shutdown if there's no immigration deal

Obviously you either missed the several times I mentioned changing the law or you are deliberately being deceptive. Which is it?

 

What edit??????

Next not a few miles from where I am setting in south florid a few hundreds of million dollars industry would come to an end if you got your wish.

 

It's not designed to stop tanks.

It's designed to stop drug dealers and criminals, and according to the reports from testing on the prototypes, they do it very well.

E-verify only stops the ones who want to work at 7-11. Not the ones who shoot women on piers and run over football players and run heroin rings.

 

Parolees make fine farm hands ... non-violent offenders too. Why ask farmers to even pay slave wages when convicts work for free? Rehabilitation is the goal isn't it?

 

Please explain how agricultural work has to be done by illegal immigrants and can't be done by those here who have been vetted and posses a valid work visa.

 

Sure having convict labor is must better then having farm workers who by the numbers are far less violence then citizens.

 

Every agency or dept has 'essential employees' who will continue to work. At the end of the shutdown, congress will vote to pay everyone and all the non -essential employees will crawl back on the teat.

You can speak for the military. But for rank and file govt employees, its a paid vacation. (Since the threat always looms, fed emps would be stupid not to have a shutdown fund to tide them over.)

 

$20 a head of lettuce is a small price to pay for a border wall, eh? LOL

Seriously, I'd like to see the numbers either way. All the defenses of illegal immigration are bullshit and they always have been. OTOH, this Wall bullshit is just that, bullshit. It's a White Elephant. There are better ways.

 

Not "Every agency or dept". Please read the links again or provide links of your own to prove me wrong.

If you think we should pay the people laid off for a year (as suggested above) for not working, think again. No, it's not a "paid vacation". Again, please prove me wrong. Laid off means "no pay".

 

Physical barriers work. There are plenty of examples, some of which I listed.

Perhaps we should wait until everyone in America knows someone who has been killed by one of them before we care enough about America to stop it.

 

LOL drug dealers had even gone as far as building full submarines and the cheaper half submarines and getting military equipment to attack the wall would not be all that hard considering the money involved.

My suggesting is ending the so call war on drug and treating the problem as a public health matter.

Can anyone tell me that with all the billions of dollars spend on this so call war if one drug addict could not find his drug of choice?

 

So we're in agreement. As we have no societal obligations to illegal aliens, and a duty to divert, or rehabilitate citizens who offend, it's a perfect solution.

 

Dude, the drug dealers will buy boats. Since they are already invested in the boats, what is to stop them from running illegals?

BTW, still waiting for those figures on how effective "the Wall" will be in stopping illegal immigration....especially since most illegals enter the country legally. .....Or are you like Nancy Pelosi and believe we should pass the bill to see what's in it?

 

How effective are prison walls that only cover one side?

 

I explained how it works. No pay until they get back. Then congress votes to pay them for the time they were off. In the last 10 years, the govt has shut down once, for 3 weeks and everyone got paid... later. That's the facts, Max.

 

Dude, employers exploit illegals. They abuse illegals. Aren't you Mr. I'd be running the Underground Railroad? Yet you support the abuse of illegals? Smart people understand that if someone is doing something illegal, they don't want the law involved? Rape, physical abuse and, mostly, monetary exploitation? The only way to stop all of that is to enforce illegal immigration laws and enact immigration reform. <--change the laws just like I posted to you before your "Mr Underground Railroad" rant.

 

No pay until they get back, but no back pay....unless "congress votes to pay them for the time they were off". IE it takes an act of Congress.

If, as suggested previously, the government was shut down for a year, do you really think there'd be full backpay? Most would have moved to other jobs...if the economy wasn't in a recession or depression.

 

The govt has never been shut down for a year. Thats absurd. The very fact we can manage without the majority of employees for 3 weeks should show folks how bloated most of these agencies are.

 

Congress has NEVER failed to pay fed emps for shutdowns. Unlikely theyd start now.

 

What?

 

He means does not cover the entire length of the border. Maybe he thinks we are only putting a wall under California

 

This thinking is exactly why we spend over $100 billion a year now on illegal immigration.

Why cut 50% of illegal immigration when 50% still exists? Why stop land travel routes when water routes are possible?

Idiocy.

 

Why not the same logic for social programs? Why not cut welfare 50% when 50% would still exist? Since welfare would still exist, there is no reason not to cut it 50%. They would go HYSTERICAL over that notion.

 

Trump needs to sign an Executive order that any federal employee who is furloughed and does not show up for work during a shutdown does NOT receive back pay for the days they didn't work. That would terrify Congressional staff and bureaucratic government.

 

Maybe he just thinks open air prisons are just as effective.