Trump: I'm so rich. I'm so poor. Don't make me pay for my crimes.

So, now he's so poor he can't put up the money required to appeal the judgements against him.

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-pleads-poverty-new-york-civil-fraud-trial-bond-2024-2

Isn't this exactly why he's in hock up to his eyeballs?

He claims he's rich when it benefits him. He claims he's poor when it benefits him.

And, he thinks our law should except that!!


Will Trump sell property so he can pay?

Will he wait for NY to do that for him?

 

It’s kind of ironic that this back and forth is one of the many reasons they found him guilty of fraud. He lies based on what he thinks will benefit him the most in the moment, inflating his worth and liquid assets when applying for loans and then deflating it during tax time or when begging for money.


I hope all of his supporters show their loyalty and donate every cent they have available to them.

Put a second mortgage on your home, use the kids college fund, empty out those 401k’s

Only you can trumps fraud! Don’t let us down.

 

so did he overexaggerate his wealth too?

 

It’s a given that trump lies about anything that will make him seem more important. Maga’s emperor has no clothes.

 

Frankly he shouldn't have to pay anything until after the appeals process, assuming he loses them. As it is they're charging him interest on it also...if he wins on appeal does that mean he gets the interest also? Of course not. Double standards is not a good look for anyone, much less our court system.

 

It will interesting to compare his financial disclosures in support of this Motion against the claims he made of his position in the NY 'fraud' case in which he boasted of his immense wealth, way exceeding $M500. Mar-a-Lago alone, he asserted, was worth more.

Do I see further fraud, or perhaps even perjury charges in the making?

 

You never stop trying out distracting sophist arguments to excuse trump, do you?
It’s not a double standard since it applies to all convicted persons, not just your boy trump.
The only thing keeping your boy trump out of jail so far is how well his lawyers keep using our reputable and impartial justice system to delay, delay, delay, and keep pushing doomed challenges into the system to further delay the inevitable.
We all heard trump demand and threaten election officials to find him more votes, and saw the various other plots he cooked up with electors to subvert the election.
In a just society, trump would already be in jail, and in disgrace, for trying to steal the election, for his serial sexual assaults on many women, and for his fraudulent business practices spanning decades.
But he has played our justice system time and time again to evade the consequences of his crimes.
If our justice system was as corrupt as the maga horde claims, trump would already be dead or rotting in jail.

 

Sorry that you want Justice rushed rather than availing a defendant all possible routes of defense. Like it or not, Trump is using every legal means available to him, AS IS HIS RIGHT. That you don't like it is not relevant. I'm sure you'd want the same for anyone on the left. I know I would. Too bad you won't admit such.

 

This is not a rule that was created for him. It is a way to say put up or shut up. If you are confident in your appeal, prove it. Don’t just use it as a way to delay enforcement of the judgment.

 

Yep - and under the applicable rules, availing himself of the right of appeal comes with a requirement. Do you think he should be treated differently than every other appellant?

 

He hasn't been. :shrug:

 

But he seeks to be, yes?

 

He's simply using every legal means available to him. Do you have a problem with that?

 

The "legal means" for everyone require that money be stumped up when there is an appeal. Your man *** seeks to be made exempt from that requirement, beyond what everyone else is required to do.

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Are you saying that the money is always required to be paid in full for every case before an appeal can be had? For EVERY case? Want to make a bet on that.........

 

In the case your Guru/Sect Leader*** is confronted with, just like everyone else in that same boat, yes, money is required to lodge an appeal. I believe it is 120% of the judgement amount. He*** seeks to be made exempt from that requirement because he*** does not have the wherewithal. Tough titties!

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I was looking for an analogy. Found it.

This is what your Guru/Sect Leader*** is saying:

"Dear Appeal Court, I know the Law of the USA requires that I stump up 120% of the Judgement amount when I appeal, but please exempt me from the Law, change the Law for me, because I can't pay that 120% as the Law requires of every potential appellant."

Can you imagine what door that opens if some Court/Judge gets sucked in?

Every bastard, including some idiot with a $10.00 judgement against him would seek an exemption because they don't have the $12.00 to meet the requirements of the Law. That is, make the Law totally redundant.

I typed all that, and then found this...which seems to endorse my comments.



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It is bizarre. Bottom line is, indisputable ~ Humpty*** wants to get some Court to exempt him*** from the Law because the Law makes him*** do stuff every other person has to do, but, he*** demands, he*** is above the Law, he*** is saying. He*** is special, he*** is saying. "I*** am special because I am Donald Trump***" or to make it more pointed/relevant, "I am special because I am Cherry Bomb."

Just rubbish.

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Good video. However, that's how he has gone through his whole life. He has learned to offer 25 cents on every dollar he owes, and people will accept it, because they know he won't pay in full, and 25 cents is better than nothing. Now, he is playing the same game with the NY courts. Interestingly, he has offered this approach as an "get out of jail free" card for the US public debt: Just default and then pay only a fraction of what is owed. He calls it "the art of the deal". And the MAGA crowd is falling for it.

 

8th amendment.... excessive fines.... in black and white.

 

Yes, that is what Kirchner set out in the link.. I acknowledge he is not a Humpty*** supporter just like I am not, but he puts together good cogent arguments which cannot be dismissed. I think the bloke reads me......... ~ just like that bloody Washington Post has and stole my material without a cheque in the mail!

What's that line in the USA......"If the horn is not tooted, that is because he who owns the horn has failed to toot it," yes?

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Every time he opened his mouth.

I’ll bet every banker and real estate professional in New York City laughed out loud when he claimed that he “borrowed a million, made a billion”

But the talk radio/telegram/Fox crowd bought it hook line and sinker.

 

Evidently he thinks that he’s too big to fail, and he expects the courts to accept that, because he was always able to chisel banks and cheat partners with his deadbeat act.

 

I don't begrudge Trump for using all possible routes of defense. It is his right. But my frustration isn't with Trump on this one - my frustration is on the behavior of the SCOTUS. They are playing the delay game, as has been evident by their actions since December.

 

Yes let’s try to bankrupt our opposition and make him pay fines for doing the same things 1000s of real estate moguls have done forever, AND we’ll ignore all of them. It’s not even illegal when the bank supposedly defrauded can’t show any fraud or harm . Totally legit