Trump indicted over hush money payments in Stormy Daniels probe

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  1. Izzy

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    'Trump charged with 34 felony counts in hush money scheme '

    "All 34 counts against Trump are linked to a series of checks that were written to Cohen to reimburse him for his role in paying off Daniels. Those payments, made over 12 months, were recorded in various internal company documents as being for a legal retainer that prosecutors say didn’t exist. Cohen testified before the grand jury and is expected to be a star prosecution witness."

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    'Trump charged with 34 felony counts in hush money scheme '

    "All 34 counts against Trump are linked to a series of checks that were written to Cohen to reimburse him for his role in paying off Daniels. Those payments, made over 12 months, were recorded in various internal company documents as being for a legal retainer that prosecutors say didn’t exist. Cohen testified before the grand jury and is expected to be a star prosecution witness."

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    Ooo big number means all do much.

    Indict him on 9,000,000 felony counts that aren't crimes it won't make a difference.
     
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    Who are you to judge what is a crime and what is not ? The indictments clearly indicate that someone thinks they have a case. And before you scream “politically motivated “ remember that there is a down side to losing a case. If the Orange Stain get a not guilty verdict, he gains lots of political capital.
    On the other hand, letting a criminal off has a down side too.
     
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    We've had too much fun laughing about Trumps much too too long scotched taped red ties to ever think about an indictment. lol
    Trump believes his red mushroom warmer makes him look slim. lol
    Thanks for the laughs going down memory lane.

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    I see, because it was Trump who falsified his business records in the first degree it isn't a crime.
    It's just trump being Trump. lol

    "DONALD J. TRUMP, Defendant. THE GRAND JURY OF THE COUNTY OF NEW YORK, by this indictment, accuses the defendant of the crime of FALSIFYING BUSINESS RECORDS IN THE FIRST DEGREE, in violation of Penal Law §175.10, committed as follows::
     
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    Someone that can read law.
    or that sometime is engaging in malicious prosecution.
    I don't think people care about the downside.
     
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    Being accused of a crime doesn't mean you're guilty of it.
     
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    We'll see how that ages cause so far Trump is batting ZERO.



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    Malicious prosecution normally doesn't go well.
     
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    So sad, then Trumpers have paid way over 50 million for Trump's incompetent lawyers.
     
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    Wouldn't have needed this lawyers if desperate losers weren't so terrified of Trump.
     
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    Apparently, it’s the only way he can have anything long hanging between his legs.
     
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    A minor clarification. Trump is not charged criminally for paying "hush money" (a non-disclosure agreement in most other circles). The SDNY already looked into that years ago and concluded there was no there there. He is being criminally charged for his accountant putting the payment entries in the wrong account.
     
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    An NDA is something you agree to before or while being employeed and rarely is conditioned on payment after the fact. "HUSH MONEY" is paid after the fact with no prior agreement and is conditioned on keeping your mouth shut about a spurious activity, not to keep you from revealing trade secrets on methods.
    Right! It was the accountants fault, and had noting to do with tRaitor tRump's desire to keep the public from finding out he slept with a whore right after his wife gave birth. :roll:
     
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    Ok, so you can read the law. So can other people. So can prosecutors. I'll take their interpretation over yours any day.

    If someone is engaged in malicious prosecution, some other person, possibly even a defense lawyer, is in a position to discern that much better than you.

    Which people don't care about the downside ? People in general or people who stand to suffer from a negative outcome ?
     
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    yes and you can too you should try it it's free.
    their interpretation doesn't matter what the law is matters they can't interpret it they're not arbiters. The only person in the courtroom that has any discrepancy regarding the law is the judge.

    You really don't know much about this maybe that's why you think this is going somewhere.
    unless it's absolutely painfully obvious. Routinely falsely charging Donald Trump for things he clearly didn't do is one of those things that makes it painfully obvious.

    The simple fact that your bigotry clouds are judgment and kind of rules you out as rational on this topic.
    People consumed with bigotry people that have convinced themselves that Donald Trump is some kind of evil Boogeyman Mastermind that tried to single-handedly over time democracy people have said this crazy crap so they believe it.

    I think some misguided moron wood risk their career on that.

    Trump has successfully turned quite a number of people's brains into bean dip.
     
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    The Karen McDougal that Trump wants eliminated from testifying at his hush money trial.
    She was paid $150,000 in Aug 2016 along with signing a NDA.
    It was David Pecker @ The National Enquirer who put up the money for her Trump story and then killed it.
    Cohen & Trump are on audio discussing the deal.
    Pecker was given some kind of immunity when he testified before the Grand Jury..iirc: 2X.


    Karen McDougal: Who is the second woman in Trump case?
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    CNN obtains secret Trump-Cohen audio recording

     
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    Honestly, playing it over and over again, it's hard to tell if he says "don't" before pay with cash. I would defer to an audio forensic expert on that. That said, it would make no sense in context of the conversation. Cohen isn't going to say "no no no I got it" if Trump said to pay with a check. And Trump's desire to use cash seems to be linked to his desire to keep it from being traced to him. Trump said "check" well after Cohen started saying no, suggesting that it was him verifying that's what Cohen is saying to do instead of cash. Not necessarily in a criminal way, but because the whole point was to keep the affair quiet.
     
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    Here's David Pecker, he was mentioned in the audio along with the now felon Allan Weisselberg who was the CFO of the Trump Organization and ended up on Riker's Island.

    'Ex-National Enquirer Publisher Testifies Before Trump Hush-Money Grand Jury
    David Pecker has been hiding Trump’s dirty laundry for years, and investigators want to know what he’s got
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    David Pecker, chairman and CEO of American Media, speaks at the Shape & Men's Fitness Super Bowl Party MARION CURTIS/AP
    Donald Trump’s 2016 hush money payment to porn star Stormy Daniels has become the focus of a grand jury investigation that is considering an indictment against the former president. But the Daniels payment is only one instance in a widespread scheme orchestrated by Trump to kill potentially damaging stories in the run-up to his 2016 election.

    The “catch and kill” scheme was reportedly run in coordination with the National Enquirer David Pecker, the former CEO of its parent company American Media Inc. Pecker, who was called to testify before the grand jury, was spotted exiting the Manhattan courthouse on Monday afternoon.

    In 2021, American Media Inc. settled a complaint with the Federal Election Commission (FEC) alleging that they unlawfully aided Trump in 2016. The FEC found that Pecker and AMI had violated federal election laws by making a payment to Playboy model Karen McDougal in order to purchase and bury a story about her alleged 2006 affair with Trump. Pecker entered a non-prosecution agreement in which he admitted that the payment had been made in order to help Trump’s campaign.

    Pecker’s testimony could be critical to the grand jury’s case against Trump. The former CEO is reportedly in possession of a damming trove of dirt on the former president, stemming from their long-standing friendship and his aid in maintaining Trump’s public image. Investigators are likely to probe Pecker on whether or not Trump was directly involved with the payment to Daniels.

    Dylan Howard, a former editor at the Enquirer, has also been tapped to testify before investigators'.


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    lol they sound like a couple guys on the sopranos who aren’t sure the room they’re in isn’t wired by the fbi
     
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    I don't know what you are talking about. Trump had a non-disclosure agreement with Daniels and paid her money for it way early in the game. I don't know what "paying after the fact" even means. The biggest issue with the NDA (which are a dime a dozen) happened when Daniels tried to break it, which, IIRC, ended up costing her around $500,000 in fines and damages to Trump.
     
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    He paid Daniles after he hired her for sex, the knowledge of which would have damaged his presidential campaign. The $130k was hush money pure and simple, it was to an NDA as oil to water.

    She had to pay $300k for tRaitor tRump's legal fees for her failed defamation suit.
     
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    Yep.... another historic event... the hooker paid the john..
     

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