Trump is so going to win.

You implied their desires overlap when you said..."Modern Republican dogma is simple. Oppose anything the Democrats want...even if it's something Republicans claimed they wanted."

What do you mean by offering solutions that have proven not to work? More often than not, the right wants less government, not more. This means that your "government solutions" are precisely what the right opposes. The "solution" from the right, more often than not, is for the government to get the hell out of the way and let the free market work its magic.

If you are referring to the border and the most recent Senate Bill, there are far too many poison pills in there for it to legitimately pass and everyone knows it. It is not a real attempt at passing legislation. It is nothing other than election-year deception to muddy the waters and pretend as if Democrats want to stem the tide of people entering the country away from legal points of entry. You cant sit there for 3 years and do literally nothing while bogusly claiming that there is not a crisis, and then all of a sudden act as if you care when it is an election year and the public opposes your actions on the border by huge margins. It is a deception. It looks as if you may have taken the bait.

 

And sometimes the solution of "get the government out of way and let the free market work its magic" is the solution implemented and it doesn't work

Our healthcare system is the most expensive in the world and yet it is not the most effective. Why? Because we got the hell out of the way and let the health care system become a profit making endeavor.

You want to claim that if we implemented a "single payer" system that would be putting a government bureaucrat in between you and your doctor. Yet the system we have right now, private insurers, does exactly that. Except now, that bureaucrat works for a profit driven private insurance company. His decisions are not based on what is best for the patient, but what is best for the bottom line of his company.

Private healthcare, in order to turn a profit, must take in more than it pays out. But for that system to work, to the benefit of policy holders, needs young healthy people to pay in KNOWING that they are not going to be taking out as much as older, less healthy people and a lot of young healthy people opt out of the private system for that very reason putting more burden on the people that need the insurance the most.

Also tying health insurance to employment makes the situation even worse.

When Obama was working on passing the Affordable Care Act it was opposed by his political rival (Mitt Romney) even though Romney implemented a very similar system in his state when he was Governor of Mass.

So, no, the best solution is NOT always to get government out of the way and let the private sector handle things.

 

Oh, so now polls are accurate?
No, I'm not "watching the polls".

 

You and I have very different views about what I riot is.

 

Those words are English but make zero sense.

 

What's really odd then is that red states depend on the government more and it's Republicans that have increased the debt more.

 

Yeah, well, that doesn't happen.

 

that's a false claim that doesn't take into account military bases and where people end up when they retire. who do you think pays more income taxes-red voters or blue voters given that the GOP has ALWAYS had a big lead in votes from those making over 100K a year (even if the ultra rich-the ones you lefties claim don't pay enough-if any-taxes, often support Democrats). wanna guess on the voting patterns of those in the bottom fifth as well?

I find it funny that people who whine about the electoral college and dismiss arguments that the majority of counties and states in the USA often vote GOP, because you all claim only actual voters count, yet you play this "red state blue state" when it comes go government spending without delineating tax payers vs tax consumers

 

She just lost to "none of the above"

 

Lol. If you vote for a candidate based on the alternative based zero on what they potentially can accomplish, you're part of the problem.

 

Two Mics, military industrial complex and Medical industrial complex both of which at the present time are not much good for anything beyond playing CYA. The next step in the chain is the FIC or farming industrial complex which since Lenin has failed every where it's ever been tried and resulted in mass starvation the latest iteration having been Sri Lanka where a country that had pretty much always been self sufficient in food suddenly ran out of damn near anything.to eat. The left is now trying to bring it's wonderful ideas about farming to western Europe where actual farmers are currently attempting to explain to them that they are crazy as moon bats, if they think that crap will do much beyond bankrupt farmers and starve people to death.

 

Sometimes that's all that's left when you don't want to throw your vote away on an independent with no chance. I would just not vote if that were my only option.

 

Wow, you have really taken this off on a tangent.

I can argue single payer/universal coverage until the cows come home, I work in the medical field. I am not sure that this tangent is appropriate for this thread though.

 

Is this supposed to be a cogent response to something I have said?

This does not logically follow anything that I have said in this conversation.

 

Please
Go make your empty arguments to someone that cares about them. Your argument is basically that red states cover more area than blue states. Who cares. Your tax argument is just plain false.

 

WT actual F are you talking about?

 

It is
Try to keep up.
According to you, Republican dogma is that small government is better which is why candidates are always saying they want to get rid of this Department or that Department yet it is those departments that they rely on the most. When things go bad, it's the red states that need/want the government to bail them out.

 

So you don't actually follow the news and really don't know much of anything good to know.

 

No one needs the department of energy or asks them to do anything but stay the hell away. ditto the department of education.

 

Again, no tangent here.
You made a point and the "tangent" is simply an example of why your example doesn't work. It's an excellent example and just because you work in the health care field it doesn't give you any credibility on a single payer option working or not working. Fun fact: Seems to work in other places.

 

So you can't explain what you're talking about. Good to know.

 

I keep up just fine.

I am more than capable of identifying a non sequitur/strawman argument.

You need to get out of the business of paraphrasing others' positions because you clearly have not accurately paraphrased what I have said.

As far as your red state blue state cannard... You do realize that all states have quite a few citizens that are both red and blue? Even in the deep south, Demcorats still get in the 40%ish of the vote. Democrats win the lowest income quintiles by HUGE margins in every state in the union. EVERY STATE IN THE UNION.

This means that government assistance/spending you are referencing is actually going to the Democrats in those red states if you insist upon using the grossly over generalized breakdown by state. It is possible and even easy to break these things down by cities or zip codes. Far more government spending goes into inner cities which are where you have all of your local Democrat governments and Democrat voters.

You dont want to be more accurate by breaking it down to more relevant local groupings however, because doing so does not support the deceptive implication that you are trying to push.

 

A thread titled "Trump is going to win" is NOT the place to get into a long drawn-out discussion of single-payer healthcare, which is not even being pushed by Biden in this election cycle.

It is a highly irrelevant tangent. Making a brief mention is one thing, but for me to respond with a long, all-out discussion and argument opposed to single payer would be inappropriate. If you want to star another thread on the topic, I will be more than happy to take part.

 

President Biden is bringing down Trumps inflation, Bringing overseas jobs back to America with the " Chips Legislation" ,
putting Americans to work in overhauling our infrastructure with the Infrastructure Legislation and building our Future to compete in the world,
helping Americans with their college bills. Our economy is now the strongest in the world far surpassing Trumps

So President Biden has a strong record to run on

Trumps record : shutting down the economy and failing to beat Covid as well as Impeached for attempting to overturn the election and impeached for attempting to bribe Ukraine in helping him find Dirt on Joe Biden.

Trump is going to continue Losing

 

Right, right....of course.