Trump or Biden?

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Would you vote for Trump or Biden ? (and if possible give a reason)

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  1. Turtledude

    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    has Trump been convicted of insurrection? NO
    that means he is PRESUMED innocent of said charges

    end of story
     
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    Irony alert-when I talked about public teat sucklers, YOU'RE the one who mentioned police officers which is both incorrect and silly
     
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    Actually, I didn't, you did and like I said I'm bored of correcting you. If you can't keep track of what you've posted.....don't post anymore..
    BTW, you have as much of an idea of what "irony" is as Alanis Morissette.
     
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    Trump or RFK

    Bidenflation: gasoline up 15% in less than 3 months

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    what is boring is watching you pretend you can correct anyone. Your opinions are just that, they don't correct anyone and only prove your bias
     
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    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    can someone tell me what Hobbs thinks he is correcting me over? HE OPINES that Trump engaged in insurrection. I note that unless you are convicted of insurrection, you are not guilty of such an action
     
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    No one is going to help you because they know you.
    I never said anything about my opinion on Trump and insurrection. What I DID say is the judge based his opinion that he shouldn't be on the ballot because he believes he engaged in insurrection. What I DID say is that half the country believes he's guilty of insurrection.
    Now I'll tell you what YOU said (since you get confused). You said that unless convicted, he's not guilty. OK, fair enough, but you never answered the question of what "reasonable doubt" is to you.
    Do you think:
    He didn't lie about the election being rigged
    He didn't ask the crowd to be there
    He didn't plan to fake electors
    He didn't obstruct the peaceful transfer of power
    You have zero doubt he didn't do any of those things
     
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    much of your problem is this-with mail in ballots, there is no way to determine if the ballots were valid or not. It is a system designed to make determination of ballot integrity almost impossible. Can Trump PROVE that there was fraud with mail in ballots? NO, does that mean there was no fraud-NO. did he believe there was fraud? I cannot answer that.
     
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    One of the parents of kids I coach told me tonight that he heard (he's a trucker) that gas is predicted to be over 5 dollars per gallon this summer. I did some cursory research and couldn't find much information to back this up-or dispute it
     
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    I was recently in California and saw $6/gallon gas all over the place.

    State wide average is around $5.25 for the most recent week

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    https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/pet_pri_gnd_dcus_sca_w.htm
     
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    Whine, whine, whine - not much change in those prices. Biden has the right idea, strike a balance, while passing the only climate change legislation in the history of the US. Last year, solar energy was responsible for over half of the new electrical capacity in the US. Thanks Joe! Our children and grandchildren will thank you too.
     
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    The problem with your argument is that Trump also had mail in ballots.
    You can answer it, but you won't.
    If he doesn't believe it, why does he say it all the time? He constantly says it was rigged and he won. Either he believes it......or he's truly insane.
    BTW, I don't have a problem.
     
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    you aren't addressing my points.

    And I have taken issue with some of Trump's claims. Example (you can use the search function if you disbelieve me). Trump whined that he had big leads in some states and those leads dissipated-and he acted like this was proof of fraud. In reality , he told his supporters to vote on election day while Democrats were urging people to vote by mail etc. Well those who actually vote the traditional way-day of election and the polling places-have their votes counted FIRST so that would mean Trump may well have had strong leads in purple areas. And then when all the absentee and vote by mail ballots came in that would change

    Now I would ban voting by mail ((and I don't support people being able to buy guns by mail either (it's currently illegal)) because I know that there is no way to ascertain the validity of those ballots
     
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    Voting by mail is just another Sore Loser Trump talking point. And we all know he loves to hear himself talk.
     
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    And yet, it's considered very safe and valid.
    "Despite widespread claims of mail-in and absentee ballot fraud, the reality is it’s exceedingly rare. The Brennan Center for Justice in 2017 ranked the risk of ballot fraud at 0.00004% to 0.0009%, based on studies of past elections.

    Meanwhile, a May 2022 Associated Press survey of states that allowed the use of drop boxes in the 2020 presidential election found no cases of fraud, vandalism or theft involving drop boxes that could have affected the results."

    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/how-election-officials-verify-mail-in-and-absentee-ballots
     
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    since you cannot determine if there was fraud, that study is meaningless. The Brennan center is a leftist propaganda site. Many other nations have banned mail ballots and here are some good arguments against it
    https://www.heritage.org/election-integrity/commentary/we-shouldnt-be-promoting-voting-mail
     
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    Sore Loser Trump simply could not stand to lose. He lost all his legal court cases that claimed voter discrepancies. And still he wouldn't concede. He's a stain on our democracy.
     
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    He conceded the day he left the White House. Did you miss that he did that?
     
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    Sorry, it's not a concession when one doesn't even name and congratulate the victor. And he continued his Sore Loser rants, not just in that address but even today. He's a stain on our democracy. A hateful divisive immoral person..
     
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    Awww... he didn't congratulate the winner. Big deal. How does that threaten my family like Biden's inflation does? Like his open border does?
    Poor widdle Biden didn't get a pat on the back... big deal.

    Biden has divided this country like no one inb history, calling all his opponents names, vilifying everyone that disagrees with him... no attempt at all to lead a TEAM... just his way or the highway...

    Immoral? Who are YOU to judge? JFK slept with Marilyn, Eisenhower had Kate Sommersby. Bill Clinton had an island full of nubile young gals. No one cared. I want my President to keep my family safe and allow us to prosper. I don't care if he sleeps with aardvarks. He's my President not my priest.

    I want prosperity, safety and security back. VOTE TRUMP!!
     
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    If you want to vote for a narcissistic, immoral, hateful sore loser, who disrespects women. Be my guest. On top of the constant spewing of hate vitriol, you get nothing in the way of policy. What happened to the promised Trump Infrastructure bill? - left it for Biden. What happened to Health Care reform? - nothing but talk. Did Mexico pay for a wall? Two years with the House, the Senate, and the Presidency, and they did nothing except give tax breaks to millionaires and billionaires.
     
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    Narcissistic? Please explain. Cite some SPECIFIC REASONS to say that. Your vacuous, unsupported, accusations have no validity whatsoever. You present NO FACTS.
    Immoral? Again, please explain. Or can't you? You present NO FACTS.
    Hateful? The only one doing any hating here is YOU. You present NO FACTS.
    Disrespects women? Please explain. You present NO FACTS.
    Trump's POLICIES gave us
    - Cheaper gas
    - lower inflation
    - stronger military
    - more secure border
    - less war
    - Abraham Accords
    The list goes on...

    The "infrastructure bill" paid off the debts of the states.... not much else,.

    I'm happy with health care. When a Democrat says "reform" , it's code for "spend more".

    Only an idiot expected Mexico to send money for the wall. What Trump was referring to was increased US revenue from the wall in tariffs, border crossing fees, fewer US dollars being sent out of the country by illegals, and similar.

    Trump's tax cuts were made to every bracket. He did specific things to cut taxes for lower income folks like making interest payments on education loans deductible and increasing the standard deduction.
     
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    US inflation is among the lowest of countries around the world. Putin's unjust war is the main reason for inflation. And now Republicans are becoming pro-Putin, MAGA being the worst. What a joke! Also, Trump's accrued debt was the highest in history - negates anything positive you might say about the Sore Loser.

    Forgot to mention - Trump is a Climate Change Denier, preferring oil industry conspiracy theories.
     
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    Biden drove inflation over 8%. I'm hardly thankful he got it down to its current level, which is still TWICE what it was when he took office. The $5/lb ribeye I bought on Biden's Inauguration Day is now three times that. After driving inflation through the roof he's bringing it down a bit. That doesn't make things cost less... just slows the rate of increase. The outrageous inflation we have had is due to Biden's WAR ON OIL. Everything made from oil and EVERYTHING transported to market went way up in price:
    - Consumers Pay The Price As Biden’s War On Oil And Gas Expands (forbes.com)
    - Biden’s War on Oil Hits Consumers - WSJ
    - Biden halts oil and gas leases, permits on US land and water | AP News

    GoreBull Warming?
    - 5 Big Lies About Climate Change, And How Researchers Trained A Machine To Spot Them (forbes.com)
    - The Stunning Statistical Fraud Behind The Global Warming Scare | Investor's Business Daily (investors.com)
    - Why Apocalyptic Claims About Climate Change Are Wrong (forbes.com)
    - Climate change is an obvious myth – how much more evidence do you need? | Climate crisis | The Guardian
     
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    Your last sentence totally discredits your post. Conspiracy theories and partisan lies.
     
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