Trump or Biden?

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Would you vote for Trump or Biden ? (and if possible give a reason)

  1. Trump

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  2. Biden

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  3. Other Candidate

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  1. AARguy

    AARguy Banned

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    Don't blame me... it's not "my sentence"... it's The Guardian.... mirroring what's said by Forbes, The Wall Street Journal, Investor's Business Daily, et al.
     
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    Actually, they can determine if there was fraud. Have you ever looked at how states check them? I didn't think so.
    I have no idea what the Brennan Center is or isn't but I sure as hell know that Heritage is not a credible source because of it's bias.
     
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    This is LOL stuff
    Your description isn't of Joe Biden. It's exactly what Donald J Trump is!!! Do you honestly forget his 4 years?!! Trump's administration was a joke with the turn over in TEAM members!! No surprise why he couldn't get anything done.
    Here's the really hilarious part.....no don't care about Trump's moral compass but you belittle Biden if he calls people names!! Comedy gold!!
     
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    You have that now!! Open your eyes!!
    VOTE BIDEN!!
     
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    Are you kidding? Seriously?
    No proof of being narcissistic? His own niece, a psychologist, says he is. Past TEAM members of his say he is. The fact that you don't accept that is a simple denial of reality.
    No proof he's immoral?!! He's been found guilty of sexual assault (2x) and is on trial for paying hush money to cover his affairs that his own attorney says he did.
    HATEFULL?!! You can't see he's a bitter hateful man!! You need MORE proof other than the millions of examples given over the years!
    Disrespects women! Did you somehow miss his own words on tape in 2016?!!
    Anyone giving specifics to you on what is common knowledge is wasting their time. You can't see the forest for the trees.
    His "policies"
    He didn't have any
    He didn't give us cheaper gas. In fact, for the oil industry, he was the worst President ever. He crashed the oil market and his foolishness is why gas prices went so high. He made a deal that just ended.
    He didn't do a damn thing to lower inflation. Is it lower than now? Yeah, but anyone can say that about a previous administration. Get real.
    If anything, our military is stronger now than ever. Trump didn't do anything to cause that.
    More secure border, yeah, because the world shut down. Nothing Trump did. He talked a lot but didn't do anything.
    Less war? Did I miss something? Are we at war now? Did Biden start a war?
    Abraham Accords- Billions for his son in law, no consequence to the Middle East and the world.
    You could go on, sure, anyone can make up false facts.
    That would be Trump then. That's exactly what he said....and he believed it.
    No he didn't. He NEVER said that. That thought never came into his head. '
    They only helped the very rich.
     
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    No, he didn't. For a person that complains about NO PROOF, you seem to devoid of any.
    You should be. What was Trump's plan to bring it down? I'll help, he didn't have any. All he would do is look to blame someone else.
    Go ahead and explain what Biden did to cause that. Good luck
    This is where you have shown you don't have a clue. There is no war on oil. To claim such is ridiculous. It is beyond ignorant. The articles you linked are 2-3 years old and do not reflect reality. You couldn't find a recent article claiming that. Why? It's not, and never was, true.
     
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    Trump is on the side of the people, all the people but particularly workers and middle class.

    Biden is only for the very rich; cut worker pay, flood the country with cheap labor, boost corporate profits.

    Until 2016 and the use of a particular escalator, both parties were on the right, starting wars and ripping off the people.
    Democrats have remained on the right with most of the Republicans - the Uniparty.

    Trump is in the center.

    Most of Washington is against him.
    The country is in big trouble, the US oligarchs have most of the money.
    The country is going to export all the work to other countries,
    Unless Trump is elected and gets the support of the public,
    for a change.

    Most of the public just believes the media.
     
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    What in earth gave you this opinion. Nothing could be further from the truth. Trump cares about Trump. He doesn't care about any class of people, he doesn't care about the United States, he cares about Trump. Period.
    Again, based on what? In what way does he care for the very rich? Is that why he's canceling student debt....for the rich? Is that why he's pro union, to boost corporate profits? Is that why he wanted the minimum wage raised? WTF are you talking about?
    And how is Trump different?
    The only center Trump is in is the center of attention. There is NO WAY that he is in the middle politically.
    As they should be. As the whole country should be. He is a clear and present danger to the US. He's insane.
    As they always have had. It's called capitalism.
    That is based on what? History would be one thing to prove your point but it goes against your other point of Biden flooding the country with cheap labor. You can't have it both ways. Trump will SAY he'll stop it, like he did before and will do nothing to stop it, like he did before.
    The country will NEVER get behind Trump. Most of the populous know he's insane.
    Better the media than Trump
     
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    The total opposite is TRUE. Trump gave tax cuts for millionaires and billionaires, while skyrocketing our debt. He never passed an infrastructure bill for the people. He left that for Biden. He mismanaged COVID with all his early denials, which killed over 1 million of the people.
     
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    Trump cut EVERY tax rate. And he included provisions specifically aimed at lowering the tax burden for the lower classes... things like increasing the Standard Deduction and making interest payments on education loans tax deductible. Infrastructure bill? Ask your average citizen if he/she would rather be able to afford dinner for their children or have a new bridge.

    More people died of the China Virus under Biden than under Trump. How did Trump "mismanage"??? He sent a hospital ship to New York and built a military hospital in the Javits Center. But most importantly he cut through FDA red tape with his "Operation Warp Speed" so the vaccine for the China Virus could become available as quickly as possible. He got FDA approval so fast that Biden was able to be vaccinated before he took office.
     
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    A prosecutor is only opining when taking someone to court yet believes in the guilt of the Accused.
     
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    He cut no tax rate only the taxes collected. He cut collections from the bottom 90% for a period of time but the reduction in collecting from the rich and hyper rich will last much, much longer. Look at deficit spending as uncollected taxes. It's not unlike when you borrow from the bank, your income did not rise because you have to pay it back with interest.

    The only way to cut taxes overall is to reduce spending rather than to increase borrowing. T**** was was highest taxer in US history, he just did the irresponsible and borrowed rather than collect taxes.
     
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    Yes, Biden has been a very good president in the eyes of roughly 40% of all Americans, but a bad president in the eyes of around 55%.

    https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/approval/joe-biden/approval-rating

    How one rates Biden’s job performance depends on whether one is a democrat, a republican or an independent. I’d say political bias all around for democrats and republicans. Democrats are going to approve of the job Biden has done, republicans are going to disapprove based solely on the fact Biden is a democrat, not a republican. It’s independents, the non-affiliate, the less to non-partisan group that probably has the more accurate view on the job Biden has done as president. Broken down by party:

    Democrats 83% approve, 14% disapprove

    Republicans 7% approve, 91% disapprove

    Independents 34% approve, 63% disapprove

    As a swing voter, I view Biden as an okay president. That wasn’t the reason I voted for him in 2020. That vote was to get rid of Trump with the caveat that Biden would be a transition president between Trump and whoever came next. Transition presidents, transition anyone or anything don’t run for reelection. A lot of swing voters had this same notion that Biden was a temporary replacement for Trump. You can see this in the fact a lot of voters voted for Biden, then voted republican down ballot enabling the republicans to gain 13 house seats. It wasn’t a vote for Biden, he was an acceptable temporary replacement for Trump. Running for reelection removes the transition, temporary portion of why I and other swing voters voted for him. Like around a quarter to a third of all Americans, I don’t want Biden reelected, I don’t want Trump to regain the white house. As a result, I’m looking for an alternative candidate other than Trump or Biden. In fact, 64% of all Americans want another choice other than Trump and Biden.

    https://harvardharrispoll.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/HHP_Mar2024_KeyResults.pdf

    Perhaps my transition vote back in 2020 for Biden was a mistake, perhaps it should have been third party all along, voting against both. Take the transition portion out of the mix, that explains the basic tie considering the MOE Biden and Trump are in today instead of Biden leading and winning by 7 plus million votes.

    Two candidate race - https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/president/general/2024/trump-vs-biden

    Five-way race - https://www.realclearpolling.com/po...24/trump-vs-biden-vs-kennedy-vs-west-vs-stein
     
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    He cut the RATES. A good friend who is a CPA/JD (tax attorney) and EA (Enrolled Agent for the IRS... allows her practice law in federal tax court... tells me that). Reducing spending can ALLOW reduction in taxes, but its not automatic. The government can cut spending and still collect outrageous taxes if they want to... to pay off outrageous debt, for example.
     
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    Partially true. Trump gave tax cuts to companies to help them be more competitive in the international marketplace by trying to equalize tax liability with businesses in other countries. The idea was to sell more domestically produced things overseas. There was a minor tax cut for citizens, the purpose of which was to sell the business tax cut. The tax cut for citizens was never intended to help anything. The business tax cut is the one that mattered because it affected our ability to compete internationally. Tax cuts of any sort are positive, though, because they tend to reduce available funds for government profligate overspending which is destroying us slowly but steadily.

    He certainly skyrocketed debt. No doubt about that and there is no excuse for it since, as you say, government mismanaged the COVID outbreak. Spending is one of the few things federal government does well. Stupidly but well.

    That COVID killed a million people is a talking point, not a fact. The fact is that a million people died of something while testing positive for COVID not necessarily because of COVID. The number is overstated to a serious degree. After all, those who died did not undergo autopsy to determine the cause of death. The death certificates simply stated COVID as the cause of death.

    There is your media truth. Didn't care for it did you?
     
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    Voters Remember The Rising Living Standards And No New Wars Of The Trump's Presidency More Positively

    A new poll by The New York Times and Siena College finds that voters think highly of the former president’s record on the economy

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    'Many of Mr. Trump’s key constituencies, such as white voters without a college degree, are particularly likely to have a fond view of his time in office. But a broad swath of the country — including Hispanic voters, voters over 30 and most lower- and middle-income voters — now see Mr. Trump’s years in office as more good than bad.'

    'Maya Garcia, 23, described herself as a former “Trump hater.” But now, she says, she has come to believe that Mr. Trump’s contentious style helped control crime and maintain order in the country.'

    “When he was first running, I was, like, what is this guy even yapping about? Like, what is he even saying? Like, he’s saying all the wrong things,” said Ms. Garcia, a restaurant worker from Canoga Park, Calif. “But to be honest, if you look deep into his personality, he actually cares about the country.” She added: “You know at first I didn’t like it. But sometimes we need that type of person in our lives.”

    Amen Sister!
     
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    But in fact President Biden has done a solid job of BEING President. Much of the criticism stems from the rocky start he got off to.

    Specifically Afghanistan and inflation. Considering the parameters enforced on him by tRaitor tRump’s Taliban negotiations it’s amazing that our withdrawal went as well as it did. Had it not been for the optics of some idiot holding onto the outside of an airplane taking off, which the right had a hay day with, the withdrawal would have been viewed much more positively.

    And though our inflation rate was high, at first, The United States has fared much better than the rest of the post pandemic world.
    The reality of those statistics is tRumpublicans have consistently done a great job of rewriting the history of tRaitor tRump’s horrible presidency and, just as consistently and effectively smeared the President with every attack imaginable.

    On the other hand the President’s people have consistently failed to make known his accomplishments.

    Accomplishments that definitely kept us out of a shooting war, were the reason the U.S. has out paced everyone else economically since he took office and passed legislation that WILL return American to a dominant manufacturing force and Americans will benefit from those jobs.
    President Biden has been a much better than “OK” President.

    Whether Americans should have to choose between two old men or not, the fact is that’s our choice. But that doesn’t mean we don’t have a clear choice.

    We can choose a vindictive, divisive, angry old man that, in every way imaginable made a mockery of the Office of President of the United States and even went so far as to turn it into a criminal enterprise. And is campaigning on the promise to throw the United States and the world into a never ending chaos of retribution against any he feels have slighted him because of HIS crimes.

    Or we can choose an inarticulate but experienced Statesman that has been a solid President for ALL Americans; that is likely to continue to do a solid job or die trying.
    It wasn’t a mistake, it was the only sane and patriotic choice to be made. We have the same choice in this election.
     
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    Biden's presidency sucks.

    '...voters said that while they disapproved of Mr. Trump’s inflammatory style, they wondered whether they had placed too much emphasis on his personality in past elections.'

    ' despite being told that they are supposed to hate him, hispanics keep moving toward Trump. Open borders have turned into a significant liability for Biden not just with Whites and Blacks, but also hispanics.'

    'Angie Leon, a 23-year-old Mexican American, said she never liked how Mr. Trump talked about Latinos. But looking back, she wonders whether Mr. Trump’s incendiary remarks about immigrants and building a border wall were just a political tactic to bolster his campaign. After backing Mr. Biden in 2020, she plans to switch her vote to Mr. Trump in November.'

    “I felt like it was just his marketing, in the way that he would get the attention of people,” said Ms. Leon, a human resources recruiter from Gilroy, Calif. “The country was better when he was running it, despite his comments toward the community.”

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    https://hotair.com/david-strom/2024/04/14/sunday-smiles-n3786499
     
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    You (my question)
    Does President Biden's Presidency suck
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    Using the web
    As an AI, I don’t have personal opinions. However, I can tell you that the perception of any presidency, including President Biden’s, can vary greatly depending on individual political beliefs, values, and priorities. Some people may believe that President Biden’s presidency has been successful based on certain policies or actions, while others may have a different view. It’s always important to stay informed about current events and form your own opinion based on reliable sources.

    Citing "voters" or one "Mexican American" isn't really much of an endorsement.
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    Cute photo, how does it apply?

    Hot air is exactly what it's name implies.
     
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    Clearly we want Trump or RFK. Bribed Joe has been a disaster.

    Deep Economic Pessimism Hurts Biden in Key Battleground States

    The problem is that Bribed Joe has deeply hurt these voters.

    'The April Bloomberg News/Morning Consult poll found Biden is ahead in just one of the seven states most likely to determine the outcome of his matchup with Donald Trump, leading Michigan by 2 percentage points. Biden trails the presumptive GOP nominee slightly in Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, and his deficit in Georgia, Arizona, Nevada and North Carolina is larger. '

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    It's already bad, and voters 'expect inflation and borrowing costs' to be even worse by election day.
     
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    RFK or Trump, Biden's been a disaster.

    Bribed Joe explains Bidenomics

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