Trump or Biden?

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Would you vote for Trump or Biden ? (and if possible give a reason)

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  1. Endeavor

    Endeavor Well-Known Member

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    well , you an deny if it is Trump’s fault or not is insignificant. Majority Americans, 81 million of them thought Trump should be replaced. That is why 81 million American voted for Biden.
     
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    the left has always worshipped quantity over quality

    you have never told us why you are so enamored with the slide to socialism/ I suspect I know but I want you to tell us. it's generally not those who want to be taken care of who strenuously push for the creeping crud of collectivism.
     
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    He left because they would have forcibly removed him if he did not. He's still running around claiming that the election was stolen from him.
     
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    What I draw from this is that you think you are qualified to run everyone's life via the government. Frankly you disappoint me. I had thought that you were a bit more intuitive and could understand the dangers of absolute power and the political corruption it engenders.
     
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    I don’t know how you or GOP can keep repeating the same lies “ DEMS created dependent children” .

    Fact is simple – 72% US GDP comes from Blue district. If liberals/ DEMS are all "dependent children and live on government handout," 72% of the US GDP would have come from RED district.
     
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    you confuse states with people. for example-the city I grew up in-Cincinnati is very blue in terms of local voting but most of the taxes come from the business leaders who run companies such as Proctor and Gamble and often don't live in the city limits but their huge salaries are counted as coming from this blue area. people making over 100K a year up to those right under the uber billionaires (who favor dems since they want to run a bigger government and often because they don't like the religious right) have always favored the GOP. the groups that cost the public treasury the most coin-those incarcerated in federal prisons and multi generational welfare recipients have always favored the democrats.
     
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    72% US GDP comes from Blue district.
    on the other hand majority white in America lives in those district which produce only 28% US GDP. but you keep saying whatever you want. if you keep repeating the same lie , someday others might believe it too.
     
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    I have noted that the democrats are best depicted as a dysfunctional family. Most of the family are those who are children, and want to remain so their entire lives. They want big brother to take care of them and relieve them of the consequences of bad choices. they are the biggest group. The second are the rebellious teens. They are represented by the alphabet agenda, etc. They hate the religious right calling them "sinner" and they want to be free to engage in all sorts of behavior that was once looked down upon by most of society. However, like teens, they still want big brother to take care of them. Finally, and most pernicious are the control freaks who want to run everyone else's lives. They think they are the parents-wiser and smarter than the rest of the family and entitled to the power and wealth that comes from running the lives of others
     
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    May be you don’t understand how Democracy works. But quantity is what decide the winner. And my side is winning the quantity for past 40 years. Trends doesn’t look good for conservatism in this country.
     
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    and you continually refuse to understand that blue districts have lots of wealthy republican voters. My late father ran a union manufacturing facility. 2000 people or so. I bet the bottom 1500 voted democrat. management almost entirely voted GOP. the salary of the top 15 people was more than the bottom 500 and the top 150 made more than the rest. You would claim that this company was "blue" and supported the dems but the tax base was GOP

    You also are unable to understand that many wealthy people live and work in the old industrial base of the USA-the NE and rack up lots of tax dollars there but they then retire to red areas such as florida, NC etc. that skews your claims as well.

    You continue to deny reality. the people who are swelling the Dem votes are usually minorities and they make less than whites for the most part. and guess what, the racial preferences democrats are pushing is going to push Asians towards the GOP. Asians are the biggest victims of affirmative racism that the Democrats push. Democrats are also losing some hispanics in areas where hispanics are the biggest ethnic group supporting dems, but dems continue to reward their most favored minority-blacks-with government positions etc.
     
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    yeah but when the people with the most power and most money say enough is enough, things get a bit different. you think you can continue to vote away the wealth of the productive forever, That won't happen

    have you ever told us why you are so enamored with the creeping crud of collectivism? I suspect it's social issues for the reasons I have outlined above
     
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    I'm sure Speaker of the House Mike Johnson and the 27 Republican governors (including the one here in Virginia) in this country would get a good laugh out of that.

    And speaking of LW jokes, I remember when Leftist chest-beaters like you "predicted" the demise of the GOP back in 2008 and then "Hillary in a landslide" in 2016. LOL - Good times. :lol

    Not that you've noticed, but the political landscape in this country has shifted dramatically in just the past 15 years as Democrats lose more of the constituencies that were once the base of the party. It's little wonder Demokrats have to flood the country with migrants in the hope that that they can compensate for selling their party to the wealthy "progressive" elites and special interests who line their pockets with cash.

    Aside from the entertainment value, there's nothing for worthless and meaningless than Leftist predictions about the future...
     
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    Here I agree with you. I do agree “ absolute political power” will ruin America. I don’t want DEMS to have total control of government. American needs a centrist Republican party as much as she needs centrist democratic party.

    But there is no such thing as a centrist GOP in 2024.

    Your party (GOP) today belongs to Trump, MTZ, Matt Gates, Lauren Boebert. They are so extreme that Sarah Palin or Michele Bachmann sound reasonable.

    And people who claim not to be in these groups. Even they believe in conspiracy theory like – Some Master mind / puppet master sitting in Oval office pulling the string of Joe Biden and forcing him to do what “puppet master” wants because Joe can’t remember his name. or DEMS are stuffing ballot box. How can you have common sense debate with these people? They live in “la la land”. They are not on drugs, yet they live in alternative reality. Do I want DEMS to share power with these people? Absolutely not.

    Just because I want two centrist parties in America. Today we have one.
     
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    You sound like Dan Rather who characterized The New York Times as "centrist news organization."

    Before you throw too many mud balls at us, remember that you have AOC and the Squad.
     
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    And how, exactly, is AOC and the Squad a form of "absolute political power"?
     
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    and they see George Floyd as a martyr and a hero rather than a POS felon whose demise was hardly a loss to the country
     
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    Here are the facts


    After the Midterms, One Party Controls All the Wealthiest Congressional Districts (yahoo.com)
    50 Wealthiest Congressional Districts in the US

    Biden-voting counties equal 70% of America’s economy. What does this mean for the nation’s political-economic divide? (brookings.edu)

    Another Clinton-Trump divide: High-output America vs low-output America (brookings.edu)

    Election 2020: Democratic counties represent 70% of U.S. GDP (cnbc.com)

    America has two economies—and they’re diverging fast (brookings.edu)

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    Underlying these changes have been eye-popping shifts in economic performance. Democratic-voting districts have seen their GDP per seat grow by a third since 2008, from $35.7 billion to $48.5 billion a seat, whereas Republican districts saw their output slightly decline from $33.2 billion to $32.6 billion.

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    seems to me all the "welfare recipients" are republican.
     
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    Big tech and the MSM are by far the biggest forms of absolute power on the left
     
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    here are the real facts-the old industrial base of the country mainly votes Democrat but that area is filled with wealthy republicans. Fact-those making over 100K a year and paying the lion's share of taxes support the GOP strongly over the dems. True, the uber wealthy power hungry types like Bloomberg tend to support the dems. but the the vast majority of wealthy people support the party of prosperity rather than high taxes and socialism. Veterans support the GOP and yes, those people are often on pensions. Same with law enforcement.
    Felons, druggies, "gender confused" etc are all big fans of the Democrats because Democrats are weak on law and order
     
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    So the reason Bleu districts have the 72% GDP because wealthy republican lives in Blue district. RED districts are poor because all the wealthy republican lives in blue district.

    I just wonder why wealthy republican don’t live in Republican district. May be because wealthy republican don't like republican run district?
     
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    7 out of last 8 Presidential election majority American voted for DEMS.

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    I wonder if Trump wants to eventually cash in on the real estate in Golan Heights that Bibi promised him?
     
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    Another worthless statistic.

    6 of the past 11 presidential elections were won by Republicans, and right now it's looking like 7 out of 12:

    1980 - Reagan
    1984 - Reagan
    1988 - Bush
    1992 - Clinton
    1996 - Clinton
    2000 - Bush
    2004 - Bush
    2008 - Obama
    2012 - Obama
    2016 - Trump
    2020 - Biden

    Anyone can play your lame game all day....
     
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    His mistakes are always someone else's fault and "nothing to do with him". That's how he and his apologists always react.

    He was the president, and it was his chance to lead during crises, and all he could muster was to rave about how unfairly the "fake news media" treats him, and attack his political opponents, and then he issued the Shut Down Guidelines, which DeSantis, Abbott etc enacted.

    And GOP imported millions Latinos from Cuba to vote for Republicans. What makes you think Latinos would vote for dems? They'll vote GOP as soon as they stop kicking **** in their faces. Lot of Latinos already vote GOP.

    Its about metro areas, - those "crap hole", crime-ridden democrat run metros. The other poster was actually wrong, because the number is not 72%, but 80% of US economic output is generated in those metro areas. The NYC metro generates more output than all of Canada. Republicans LOVE to hate those areas, but maybe they shouldn't bite the hand that feeds them
     
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