Trump received over $7 million from foreign countries as prez

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  1. Hotdogr

    Hotdogr Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You made the claim. The onus is on you to back it up. Show where Trump received $7 million from "foreign countries" while president.
     
  2. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    Read the report, the link is in the OP.
     
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    Yes, completely fake, even when you’re clueless, I mean fearless leader admits it on video.

    But I’m as positive as biden is corrupt that you will attempt to defend his worthless a$$.
     
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    That's Biden carrying out US policy, not taking $7m from foreign governments.
     
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    Hotdogr Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    On page 6 is the "executive summary" of the report, which is as far as I need to read. As I suspected, Trump did not receive payments from foreign countries, his BUSINESSES received payments for services rendered. You do realize that Trump, and Trump's corporations are separate entities, right?

    If you can point to an example deeper within this report where some "foreign country" made payments directly to Trump while he was president, as the title of your OP states, I will concede the point. Until then, it's fake news in my opinion.
     
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    Ah yes, here we go again. Why do you constantly spam the forum with anti-Trump threads? Could it because he is beating your beloved one, Joe Biden? Could it be because Trump is tied or ahead in every single swing state? Could it be because Biden doesn't even talk about Americans' financial woes anymore so the best he can do is talk about democracy, at the very same time Democrats are taking democracy away?
     
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    May I throw in a little history to Biden's bragging video...

    So who was a person in charge of those documents at Penn Biden center.... Michael Carpenter.... when they were "found" after 7 years...
    Does this look familiar.... what do you know.... sunny beach.... there is Michael Carpenter right there on stage with Joe when Joe is bragging about blackmailing Ukraine for a $billion in aid...
    Thanks to the hard work of Bongino, Tom Fitton and Judicial Watch... John Solomon..
    and yes .... Donald Trump...
    Listen to the extended version..

    Michael Carpenter, a former key aide to ex-US. Vice President Joseph Biden and ex-U.S. deputy assistant defense secretary...

    MICHAEL CARPENTER is Managing Director of the Penn Biden Center for Diplomacy and Global Engagement and served as Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Russia, Ukraine, and Eurasia from 2015 to 2017.

    https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/109722866194156102

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    That video has been tossed around by the right for the last several years.

    That has been debunked many times over, and is an old, old trope of the uninformed right.

    Well, tsk tsk. The exact opposite is true. The pressure applied to Poroshenko to fire Shokin was because he wasn't fighting corruption, he was giving corruption a pass. The US and the IMF couldn't help Ukraine economically when the country was awash in corruption, so getting rid of Shokin (and later, Poroshenko) was priority number one in the region. What, you think Biden, who has been on the scene in politics for 30 years would do something as stupid as commit a crime on national television? Give me a break.

    Congratulations, you're beating a dead horse, and long since dead one, at that


    it's called 'foreign policy of the region with the approval of congress, the senate, and the international monetary fund'. All it was was Biden pressuring Ukraine to fire Shokin, the prosecutor who wasn't doing his job to clean up corruption in Ukraine. If anything, they weren't investigating Burisma.

    https://thehill.com/homenews/senate...emember-signing-2016-letter-urging-reform-of/

    ““The United States, the European Union, the I.M.F., and Ukraine’s leading reform figures were all pressing for Viktor Shokin to be removed from office because he was one of the biggest obstacles to fighting corruption in the entire country. This was a bipartisan goal in Congress as well.”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biden–Ukraine_conspiracy_theory

    The conspiracy theory alleges that then-Vice President Biden withheld loan guarantees to pressure Ukraine into firing a prosecutor to prevent a corruption investigation into Burisma and to protect his son. The United States did withhold government aid to pressure Ukraine into removing the prosecutor, in accord with the official and bipartisan policy of the federal government of the United States. The US government, along with the European Union, the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund, believed the prosecutor to be corrupt and ineffective and too lenient in investigating companies and oligarchs, including Burisma and its owner. A January 2018 video shows Biden taking credit for withholding the loan guarantees to have the prosecutor fired, acting to implement bipartisan US policy rather than for the reasons the conspiracy theory alleges.

    Republicans wanted Shokin removed, as well:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...ctual-conspiracy-theory-or-anything-close-it/

    (Even the GOP chairman of the Homeland Security Committee which spearheaded this report, Wisconsin Sen. Ron Johnson, backed the effort to remove Shokin, saying the “whole world” agreed he wasn’t doing a good job.)


    https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/03/poli...oed-biden-on-ukraine-reforms-kfile/index.html


    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...r-joe-investigation-impeachment-a9147001.html

    https://web.archive.org/web/2019111...aidan Revolution and the Russian Invasion.pdf


    Factchecking right wing lies
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...ecking-first-trump-biden-presidential-debate/

    (Even the GOP chairman of the Homeland Security Committee which spearheaded this report, Wisconsin Sen. Ron Johnson, backed the effort to remove Shokin, saying the “whole world” agreed he wasn’t doing a good job.)

    [...]

    Viktor Shokin was appointed to the position of Prosecutor General of Ukraine by Ukrainian president Petro Poroshenko, whom he was loyal to. Representatives of the EU and the United States pressed Poroshenko for his removal[21] as did the World Bank and International Monetary Fund.[22] In March 2016 testimony to the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, former ambassador to Ukraine John E. Herbst stated, "By late fall of 2015, the EU and the United States joined the chorus of those seeking Mr. Shokin's removal" and that Joe Biden "spoke publicly about this before and during his December visit to Kyiv". During the same hearing, assistant secretary of state Victoria Nuland stated, "we have pegged our next $1 billion loan guarantee, first and foremost, to having a rebooting of the reform coalition so that we know who we are working with, but secondarily, to ensuring that the prosecutor general's office gets cleaned up." An overwhelming majority vote in the Ukrainian Parliament in March 2016 led to Shokin's removal from office after an investigation into extortion of another company led to associates who were found in possession of diamonds, cash and other valuables[24] as well as documents and passports belonging to Shokin.


    You see, for a crime of 'bribery' or 'extortion', there has to be a personal benefit. The beneficiary of the leverage Biden applied to get Ukraine to fire Shokin, the beneficiary was:

    1. Both repubs and dems, who sought the policy and thus the United States
    2. The IMF
    3. Our allies.

    But NOT Joe Biden, so there is NO CRIME there.

    Learn the law on bribery and extortion, please.
     
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    Why not? He lies repeatedly on national television.

    Very conveniently, it benefited Hunter and possibly Joe.
     
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    Give me a break.

    Joe's name is not signatory to any LLC and most on the right are accusing him.
     
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    I make no representations about what "the right" might be saying about Biden.

    But, YOU made the claim that: "Trump received over $7 million from foreign countries as prez". Turns out, Trump's businesses continued to do business as usual while he was prez. Those are completely different things.
     
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    Shokin was fired because he wasn't investigating corruption. So if anything it didn't help Hunter. Moreover there's no evidence of corruption by Hunter at Burisma while Hunter was on board. And i'm pretty sure Burisma was dormant during his tenure.
     
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    Trump profits from his businesses. And the right is accusing Joe of corruption and his name is and on any corporate document.
     
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    Of course you do you are desperate to find something to try and mitigate the Biden influence peddling scandal. There was no emoluments as has been explained over and over.
     
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    Again, I have no idea what "the right", whoever they are, are saying about Joe Biden, and that has nothing to do with anything I've said.

    There is a HUGE difference between "Trump profits from his businesses..." and "Trump received over $7 million from foreign countries..." Trump only profits from his businesses if those businesses are profitable. He does not just pocket all the revenue from his hotels.
     
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    It's in here...

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    No he doesn't.

    Biden's exaggerations and Misstatements of facts isn't lying. It's rather common among politicians, but you single Joe out because you hate him.

    Telling people that Democrats stole the election is lying.

    Saying that 'immigrants' are poisoning the blood of the nation' is lying.

    Saying that "We pledge to you that we will root out the communists, Marxists, fascists, and the radical left thugs that live like vermin within the confines of our country," now that is lying.

    In fact, in my thread on D'Souza, all you did was nitpick on my CNN post. Not one criticism of all the lies in 2000 mules, which is what the thread was about.

    Probably because D'Souza is a republican, eh?

    Am I right?

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...election-denial-claims-in-court.615824/page-6
     
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    There is no evidence of 'influence peddling'. And there is no scandal, other than the one you are manufacturing.

    It hasn't been explained. 3 right wing judges ruled on it, but failed to address the issue, shot it down on standing.
     
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    The whole point of the emoluments clause is to prevent corruption. Trump has financial interest in HIS COMPANIES which are doing business in countries he is creating policy for.

    That's just wrong. do you understand?

    Can you possibly fathom how it's corrupt?
     

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