Trump releases design for new border barrier

Border security.

Oh, wait. We have that.

 

like I said before, this proposal is similar to what was built in El Paso and New Mexico under Obama. Simple question: Would that wall stop you?

 

If this design is going to go forward, then not only should the top be rounded off, but on the Mexican side the posts should have little half inch metal spikes pointing downward, on our side they should point upward, and the spikes should be be there from top to bottom. And each pole should have a warning sign saying anyone trying to climb up and then down will be sliced to pieces.

 

Without breaking out a ruler or anything the barrier looks to be about 8 times the height of the vehicle depicted. At 66” in height that would make the barrier roughly 44’. I’m no engineer, but I’d imagine they’d want at least half that in the ground. Probably with a decent cement base, but I don’t think I could hazard a guess on how many pounds of cement itd take. At the very least we’re looking at somewhere around 65’ - 70’ beams. American steel will be doing pretty well if the job doesn’t get outsourced for materials.

They could reduce the material cost burden of the beams if they were shaped like some kind of “V” instead of a circle, but that could make it significantly easier to climb.

As far as how many beams it might take, that should be relatively easy. If we shave off the the bumper that extends past the end of the tenth beam we get approximately 175” for every ten beams. Two very easy to work with numbers. The proposal only requires about a thousand miles of border barrier. With 63,360” in a mile we we have 362 beams. At a thousand miles that gives us 362,057 beams (there were some decimal points I didn’t mention here).

If we wanted to calculate the distance those beams would cover end to end, that’s pretty easy too. We’ll use the low end of my estimate. 362,057 beams times their estimated height is 23,533,705’. With 5,280’ in a mile that gives us 4,457 miles of beams end to end.

All these numbers could be off by at least a decent margin considering this assumes the artists representation is 100% accurate, and that I didn’t goof on my math. And I couldn’t give any kind of a guess on the costs. Does anyone have numbers on other similar barrier costs?

This might be effective at stopping people outside of their physical prime, though I’m not certain if small children could fit through a nearly 10” gap (someone have a child they can measure?), it definitely would do nothing to stop things being handed through the gaps. Although I guess a solid border wall would be defeated by a catapult in the bed of a pickup truck anyway...

Thanks for posing the question! This was fun!

 

It would probably stop me assuming I had no gear, but decent climbing shoes and a coarse strap to wrap around the back of the beam would probably work. A lot better than a whole in a fence I’m sure.

 

Wait a minute! Obama already built a wall???

 

Creative, but I’d hate to imagine what kind of cost that would add.

 

Democrats supported and funded sections in the past, now they don't because, Trwumwwff.
Like obstinate children, 180 purely out of spite.

 

Electrify it, too. Just to be safe.

 

Let us know when you can drum up majority support and $70 billion to start with, m'kay?

 

Hope it’ll be hooked up to renewable energy sources.

 

Ok, at 7.2" I would estimate a thickness of 2.5" minimum. That would equal about 100 lbs per square foot, or about 3,900 pounds for a 65' x 7.2" x 2.5" steel slat.

At $1k per metric ton, that would be $560 per slat in RAW costs. For 1k miles that gives us $204 million in RAW steel costs. Now that is the cheapest price for steel in a fairly raw form. We may need a higher grade of steel for the project, and that doesn't include labor, products for support, the road for maintenance and monitoring, etc.

 

So ignore the 180 your leaders did and throw out some random number, m'kay?

 

Show us a plan that doesn't look like clip art and it will be considered. If Trump was given this money a year ago, it would have paid for a wall that he didn't want this year.

 

Your dear leader flip-flopped after people were mean to him on Faux News. This is his lickle temper tantrum, just as the wall is his incredibly stupid idea, and so yours by extension for being his loyal little devotee.

 

It wouldn't have paid for anything beyond planning, most likely. Contractors love to milk the feds for all they're worth. MAGA and his swamp rat family would probably end up being the contractors, too, the way they operate.

 

Oh look, a tolerant lefty! Now it's even my fault, lol. Walls were not stupid when your leaders funded them, but Trump! Orange man bad...bahhh bahhhh ba baahhh

 

Isn’t part of the boarder a dessert??

 

Walls are fine when they're effective and don't cost most of our GDP in return for accomplishing nothing beyond giving an idiotic, childish tyrant what he wants.

 

Very nice work. I’ll see what I can add to this.

Let’s talk cement. Assuming beams go 22’ feet down, and for sake of argument we’ll say cubic yards are sufficient for anchoring the beams, we would need 7.3 cubic feet of cement per beam. $75 per cubic foot gives us $547.50 per beam. At 362,057 beams that comes out to $198,226,208 in raw costs for cement. That gives us $402,226,208 in raw materials thus far.

Let’s talk service roads. If we assume that we keep things on the cheap end and stick with a gravel road we can come up with a decent number. A 16’x38’ gravel road runs $1,500. Using those measurements and costs we’d have a cost of $208,421,053. So now we’re looking at $610,647,261 for raw materials, though I’m not sure if the estimates I found for gravel roads included construction.

 

English please?

 

Trump’s wall gonna cost much of our GDP?

 

Hard to say, but there are plenty of very important federal programs with smaller budgets, so even a small percentage of GDP is huge.

 

Where did you get 70 billion, that is the highest estimate in this article. A better question is the long run cost of NOT building it. Know I want to see even MORE than a wall? End birthright citizenship, bankrupt and imprison illegal employers and cut off ALL welfare to illegals. Remove all the incentives and the wall would be an afterthought if illegals know there is nothing here for them.

Would Trump’s border wall cost the same as one and a half ...
https://www.politifact.com/california/statements/2017/apr/28/scott...
Claim: The estimated price of President Trump’s border wall is the same as the cost of "one and a half aircraft carriers."


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• Author: Scott Peters

 

Agree. ALL people that higher illegals should be bankrupted and put in jail!

Hear, hear!