Trump still has no path to 270 Electoral College votes-

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  1. Oxymoron

    Oxymoron Well-Known Member

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    What utter nonsense, where do you get this rubbish?
     
  2. Gorn Captain

    Gorn Captain Banned

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    You said "Roman Empire", not "Eastern Roman Empire"....and it is traditionally called the "Byzantine Empire" due to its capital being the ancient city of Byzantium.
     
  3. Oxymoron

    Oxymoron Well-Known Member

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    Roman Empire includes Byzantium, and lasted for well over a Millennia. From 30 BC to 1453 AD. Not a bad run.
    Magna Carta like I said was a division of power with the Lords, and had minimal influence on Humanism. You will remember sharing of power and individual rights are concepts that the freaking Greeks and Romans employed well before the 1200's.
     
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    Notice how History does that for me.....so I don't have to. What happened.....your deflection didn't work?

    Did you want to try and go tangential? :laughing:

    Oh and do you need some others that know History to explain it out for you?
     
  5. Oxymoron

    Oxymoron Well-Known Member

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    All those agencies have been disasters, at least they need an overhaul.
     
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    MMC Well-Known Member

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    He confused the Greeks with the Romans, huh?

    Do you think they know who taught the Romans everything they know? Or those who taught the ones teaching those who taught the Romans? :wink:
     
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    Trumpf wants to be liked, and his new best friend is the GOP. If he is elected, he will stab his constituents in the back as soon as he hits the Oval Office. He will fall in line with mainstream republicans. The thought of watching the lame ass give a State of the Union address is a pretty funny thought.
     
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    You used a generic term that gave a false impression.

    It's like saying "Texas was ravaged by explosions and fires in 1947"....when it was "Texas City".
     
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    Wrong and it wasn't me that used the Generic term or timeline. The fact was listed there the whole time!!!!!

    Roman Empire

    Founded: 27 BC
    Dissolved: 1453.....snip~ same link.


    Next! [​IMG]
     
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    That's the essence of populist. You even get supposedly "conservative" Trump supporters ADMITTING Trump's a populist.

    Populism is not a conservative ideology.

    It's ironic that for decades (and even today as a charge against Hillary), the Right says "____ is promising to give people FREE stuff they want, using the power of Government, not letting the Free Market operate...and it won't be "free"."

    Yet, that is the ESSENCE of Trump's philosophy. The tariffs are to "bring jobs back to America"...yet tariffs are one of THE most dominant uses of Governmental power over economics.

    He promises the xenophobes that he'll "build a Wall" and "deport all illega's." A GOVERNMENT WORKS PROJECT (costing billions)....that he CLAIMS "we won't have to pay for" ("free stuff"?). His deportation scheme borders on a police state...again antithesis of conservatism and liberalism.
     
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    Wall Street is a disaster too, but they are not talking about overhauling it.
     
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    Traditionally, the Byzantine Empire is not called the "Eastern Roman Empire" after the Western Roman Empire fell. The Byzantine Empire is NEVER called "the Roman Empire."

    Given your ego and feud with DT, you can't admit to ANY error now. Another aspect that Trump shares with his supporters and vice-versa.

    :)

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    Conservatives don't care for private sector malfeasance. A USPS truck hits a mailbox, they'll rant against the Government. SlimeCo dumps 100 gallons of Dioxin in a river, they say nothing.
     
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    Not illegitimate, not as representative as predictable. If Hillary wins the electoral votes losing the popular vote, she will a legitimate President [why should it be possible to think otherwise?].

    But ... I could write an equation:

    FFC = CMC + NE

    [First Female Candidate = Common Male Candidate + Newness Effect]

    It's a social phenomenon, predictable in its nature and dynamic.

    If Hillary Clinton will win with a percentage of popular vote which could be normal for a CMC ... it will mean that the "physiologic" NE will be disintegrated by Hillary "oddity" which makes her more a CMC than a FFC.
     
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    How so?
     
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    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    "If the election were held today, wouldn't you be surprised" David Letterman
     
  16. Pipette8

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    My conservative streak rears its head on occasion, but the privatization of the entire US government is going to far, especially the privatization of our park lands. I envision fracking wells, and horrendous-looking mines, and treeless mountains dotting the Olympic National Forest and it makes me very sad for my grandchildren. I doubt that Trump has ever been in a forest, and he could care less about nature. If the land isn't suitable for a golf course or mining it is worthless. When it comes to conservatives rearranging things to maximize profits for private individuals, Trump is on the band wagon.
     
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    Well . . . they are still selling unsecured mortgages to people with no credit and no job. If I am not mistaken, that is one of the main factors in the economic catastrophe of 2008. I should have said the banking industry is a disaster, but Wall Street is a disaster just waiting to happen. Stocks are way over-valued and everyone knows it.
     
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    The fact you're so focused on her gender....kinda proves my point. That it's about "de-legitimizing" the "FFP".

    Sort of like all those Rightwing men who are so obsessed talking about "feminists"....for a very obvious reason.

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    Trump's a populist.....thus if he won?....He'd NEVER try anything ideological conservative, that isn't yuuuugely popular with the American people.

    And he's more likely to be ideologically progressive, even.
     
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    People have free will and can stay away from things they cannot afford. Stocks are never over or under valued, they are worth what people believe they are worth.
     
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    No, I'm not de-legitimizing the FFP, I'm determining a "tolerance" in the deviation of the result from the predictable one for an FFP.

    It's like when you buy a Ferrari, trying it along a private racetrack you expect it to reach a speed of at least 300 km/h [186 mph]. What if you find out it reaches only 250 km/h [155 mph]. That would be disappointing ...

    And this is what I'm evaluating about Hillary Clinton. She can record [potentially] a remarkable result, winning the electoral votes and the popular vote [and with interesting percentages].

    If this doesn't happen, it means that "Hillary's engine" has got some troubles.
     
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    The only thing left for Trump to do to reach 270 is to release his taxes if his taxes is as clean as he claims to be then for sure not only will he get 270 he will win by a land slide.
     
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    Trump WILL NOT release his tax returns before the Election. Clearly it's got something embarrasing in it.....either-

    A. he's not as rich as he claims

    B. his charitable donations (non-existent or to "liberal" charities)

    C. links to Chinese banks

    D. direct business ties to pro-Putin Russian oligarchs.

    (A to D "best case" to worse case scenarios)

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    Quote a Founding Father saying "eventually liberals will face a civil war"? Or is this in your Sean Hannity Big Book of Conservative History?

    :D
     
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    "IF"...the biggest word in the English language and in this particular instance...a HUGE word. The carnival barker will never release his tax returns and even "IF" he did, he could never win by a landslide...lol...keep dreaming.
     
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    The only thing really left for Trump to truly prove that he is honest is for him to release his taxes if he does not and IF he does win and during his early term as President it was discovered that he was a tax criminal the consequence will be more dire he will be the first seating President to be criminally charged and to be impeached.

    One way or the other Trump has to release his taxes before the election.
     
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    Donald Trump.
     

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