Trump tells SCOTUS kicking him off ballot would ‘unleash chaos’

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  1. 9royhobbs

    9royhobbs Well-Known Member

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    Yet all evidence is to the contrary.
     
  2. Pycckia

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    That's not the way they will see it.
     
  3. Arkanis

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    Will you participate in the violence if SCOTUS rules against Trump?
     
  4. Pycckia

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    That is not the way Trump's supporters will see it.
     
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    We've become familiar with the strategy the dark side of politics has embraced, of doing wrongful and offensive things, then calling the critics of those things offenders for pointing it out. How dare you insult us?
    This kind of mentality is one without values set or expected for themselves- and thus, one that cannot generate self-respect, and lacking self-respect has none to lose, and therefore does not feel diminished
    by any level of conduct, no matter how low. These people survive and grow by the manipulation of the system, the abuse of power, and the diminishing of the people. All of which are offenses against the nation.

    Trump is right. Not because he's Trump, but because the manipulation of the electoral process to rig it, to limit it, to prevent the people's voice or choice from controlling it is an offense against the very principles America was founded on. Politics IS a very dirty business and provides huge opportunities that will always attract the unscrupulous. The greatest fear of that kind of politician or the people they are in league with- is reform; a leader who advocates enforcing the rules and draining the swamp the unscrupulous have been carefully cultivating and profiting from for years. An honest and responsible government, which is precisely what the nation was designed to be and the Constitution written to ensure- terrifies these people, and lacking any moral guidelines or active restraints, they are willing to do anything to prevent that.

    They are lowering the bar- and justifying. it. Of course they can't do that only for politics, so they are lowering the values of society in general, loosening laws, attacking those who enforce them, putting people endorsing fringe behaviors in positions of influence, basic usurping the values that made America a great nation and the envy of the world- and making it a nation of weak people, dependent on their power.
    That qualifies as treachery, betrayal and a host of other appropriate labels, which of course they deny and call slander. The denial works better if your news is propaganda, and your survival is dependent on them.
    If that doesn't sound familiar, you aren't paying attention.

    Trump didn't threaten Scotus. The statement is an opinion of the probable consequences of allowing the unscrupulous to control elections by limiting the choices they could vote for.

    IF the unscrupulous believe the people wouldn't elect Trump anyway- even though they have already done everything they can think of to discredit him- they have nothing to fear. But they know that despite orchestrating the biggest shitshow and vendetta in our political history, they have failed to convince the public that Trump, and not them- is the real crook.

    Chaos is already here; the attacks on our social standards, the abuses and distortion of laws by politicians seeking to weaken the nation have already created that. It is close to a tipping point, and far greater dangers. When the people realize they are no longer able to control the directions of government through the electoral process- that would mean there are no rules. IF that right appears to be denied to the people, those behind it will find themselves in far greater trouble than they already are.

    Trump is right. And it's not about Trump- it's about the basic integrity of our political system and justice system.
     
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    What I care about is living a peaceful life. I agree with Trump that keeping him off the ballot will lead to civil unrest and no amount of justification on your part will stop it.

    Sometimes I think the Left wants civil unrest so they can establish a dictator of their own.

    You sew the wind and reap the whirlwind.
     
  7. Arkanis

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    So MAGA are violent people whom Americans must fear.
     
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    I doubt any rational person in America really believes that, it is the position of the violent people trying to dodge responsibility for their own actions- and those gullible enough, weak enough that they need to hate others to feel like they have any value at all. Just my opinion. While there are exceptions in every generality, Overall- you have inverted the reality.

    It's a strategy; talk people into coming to the dark side, and use the power of evil to offset the psychological need for self-respect. Say the good is evil; the evil is good- so instead of working for it, you just proclaim your position righteous. Unfortunately there are a lot of people weak enough to find that acceptable. They are the ones who need to believe it, they are not convincing the rest of us.
     
  9. Joe knows

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    I wouldn’t call that a threat. I would call that a very likely and accurate prediction
     
  10. Arkanis

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    Will you take part in the MAGA riots if SCOTUS upholds Colorado and Maine's decision?
     
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    Trump supporters are not known to commit violence. Thats why the 1/6 knuckleheads had the element of surprise. Efforts to remove him from the ballot are due to the fact that he has a good chance of winning.
     
  12. Arkanis

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    Now we know that MAGA can be violent.

    And Trump warns us that if things don't go his way, there will be more violence.

    I say he can't win.
     
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    MAGA is a campaign slogan. Using that term to paint an entire group with a broad stroke based on the actions of a few (Just like racists do) is dishonest. If you believe your own logic (Logical fallacy), you would also have to accept that Dems are violent.

    Not only can he win, you and the Dems are helping him.
     
  14. Arkanis

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    No, I don't accept it.

    For the simple reason that Biden never calls for violence and his supporters never justify violence as a political tool.

    Unlike Trump and his MAGA...
     
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    Truth does not change based on ones willingness to accept it. You refer to those voting to Make America Great Again as "MAGA" If you voted for Hope and Change, are you a HAC?
     
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    Trump is causing plenty of problems for himself and whether he knows it or not, it's going to bite him
     
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    They had the "element of surprise" because in the over 200 year existence of our country

    1. No one had ever attempted to overthrow an election like that
    2. We had never had a violent uprising that included citizens of the United States actively attacking and illegally entering the US Capitol building.
     
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    Trump says " I want to tell you ( names individual supreme Court justices ) if you go through with this terrible decision, you're going to reap the whirlwind and you're not going to know what hit you "

    Oh wait, it wasn't Trump who said that at all. That was Chuck Schumer threatening supreme Court justices. Funny how none of you progressives pulling your hair out over this, could seem to find any problem with that....

    That's what actually threatening judges looks like AND individually by name
     
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    I would not disclose that at all if I did plan on it. Just saying I believe it to be more of a very accurate prediction not a threat. You would be a moron to think a decision like that would not have consequences.
     
  20. Arkanis

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    Because MAGAs don't respect the justice system and consider Trump to be above the Constitution.
     
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    Wouldn’t know, I’m not a maga. But you can make assumptions all you want. I just think people should be able to vote for who they want. That’s something democrats apparently don’t believe in.
     
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    There's a small but signifigant difference between 'chaos will happen' and 'I will cause chaos to happen.'

    But surely you already understand this simple concept.

    Obviously removing Trump from the ballot based merely on accusations and opinions sets a dangerous, one might say chaotic, legal or at least procedural precedent in future elections.

    So why is that you think 'Trump is threatenning' SCOTUS?
     
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    This concern a SCOTUS ruling.

    Dems have nothing to do with it.
     
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    I really don't think the Democrat party is any better in this regard. The Republicans are at least having debates and putting some spotlight on other hopefuls while the Democrat party won't have debates and goes out of its way to pretend the likes of Williamson and Philips don't exist.

    And it is the left pushing to disenfranchise Trump voters. It isn't a good look to centrists or even to many of us on the Liberal left. Defeat Trump at the ballot box.
     

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