Trump tests postive for covid!

I don't approve of intentionally exposing vulnerable people to the virus but not wearing a mask does not rise to that level. That's right, I still think the mask wearing is a placebo and a control element. It has become so commonplace that it's no struggle to comply but I still think it has minimal effect. What I have noticed is people being far more aware of spacing.

 

Amy Coney Barret's announcement ceremony at the WH.

Those not shaded out now have COVID.

 

I don't think the mask is a placebo but I question how much it actually keeps out or keep in. I believe the primary purpose of the mask is to train us to stop touching our face so much. It happens so often that we aren't consciously aware of it and then we touch other things that are touched by others and on and on.

 

And now Chris Christie
Looks liked the debate prep was the source.

Trump had already been exposed by the time he went to the debate

 

Please cite some examples, and provide proof.

I ask because I've never heard about Biden in relation to any illegal or even unethical issues about money. You're making a claim of wrongdoing, so the burden of proof is yours. Otherwise, you're just spewing rhetoric.

 

That Rose Garden event was a super spreader. It would be incredibly ironic if the Senate can't get the votes because too many R Senators are in isolation.

 

Whatever you happen to think you should understand that studies have shown the mask to have great effect. I agree it's certainly not effective at protecting you and I think this is just one of the many way Trump could have done a lot better. Sending a hospital-type reusable mask to every taxpayer would have cost far less than the silly Wall and saved literally tens of thousands of lives.

 

No, the primary purpose is to keep us from spreading COVID to others if we should inadvertently become infected, particularly if we are asymptomatic as it is thought the majority of those infected will be, now or in the future and even with increased testing. The masks are primarily to protect OTHERS, NOT the mask wearers.

They are by no means 100% effective at that, which why we need social distancing and other remedies.

Touching, as in touching the face, should be avoided for the reasons you said, but the primary way the disease spreads is through aerosols, not touching.

 

Everywhere in the world that has high mask compliance has a dramatic reduction in cases.
Everywhere in the world that has low mask compliance has a dramatic increase in cases.

It's not a coincidence.

It's happening in Kansas. Counties with high compliance are doing far, far better than counties with low mask compliance.

 

Good Lord. You want to force treatment on the POTUS not of his choosing? I knew before this week’s events this country is in dire straights. But this thread tells me I’ve seriously miscalculated how close we actually are to the inevitable final destination of humanist society.

 

I saw a phlebotomist with a circular masks that was very close to her face (couldn't see any space around it) and a surgical nurse and dentist with plastic face shields in addition to the disposable masks many people are wearing. All of those make sense relative to keeping one's germs in and other people's germs out. I just don't see how the "typical" mask does that completely.

I wear them as they are mandated in all businesses by our governor but I don't have any illusions that they will protect anybody. I think they just LESSEN the chances of our expelled droplets from hitting others by reducing the distance. I use hand sanitizer when soap and water aren't quickly accessible (ie. in public places or the car) and socially distance as much as humanly possible.

And, quite honestly, I'm growing exhausted from all the bickering about it. I want a total do-over for 2020. ;-0

 

Yes. That's exactly what everyone has been saying for months. How is reducing the chances we spit on someone a bad thing?

 

Really? So when a doctor goes into the operating room, they wear masks just to train themselves to stop touching their face? Thanks for that bit of information.

 

I just guessed it.

BTW, Donald seems to recover quickly: https://twitter.com/ABCWorldNews/status/1312430778786164736

But his political damage will be big.
Who votes for a president who can't protect his country nor himself from a deadly virus? Donald lied to the people about Coronavirus.
He doesn't deserve a 2nd term.

 

Oh, no. I don't think masks are "bad". I don't think reducing the chance to spit on someone is a bad thing (unless they deserve it . I'm kidding. That's disgusting.

I live in a small rural town. We have two grocery stores (WalMart and Aldis) so everybody has to shop in the same places. I've seen someone with a full body dragon costume, someone with a Michael (from some killer movie years ago) mask, various Halloween masks and all types of face coverings usually positioned with the nose uncovered. Basically, people here are mad because our government mandated masks in businesses and all businesses face fines for not posting the signs and enforcing the rule.

What's the point in doing things halfway? Either do it right or don't bother. These little personal protests are ridiculous and NOT helping the cause.

 

That was not necessary. Of course, doctors already know to stop touching their face. People that don't work in the medical field are not as aware of it which was the point of my statement.

 

I never expected them to say anything differently about his condition. He could be much worse off but they aren't going to say that this early in the game. And, I'm concerned that a quick recovery will solidify the idea that "it's nothing". Given the number of people around him that tested positive, it will be some kind of miracle if ALL of them have the mild case. We should know more in the coming days.

 

Did you hear that at the doctor's presser this morning, he said they had been treating Trump for 72 hours? That doesn't mesh at all with the timeline we are being given.

 

Yes. Someone posted on that earlier. My best guess is he tested positive on the rapid test and they did the other one to confirm the diagnosis. That would fit with when the reports came out about Hick's positive test.

Basically, I don't plan to get blindsided again. I don't trust much of anything that comes from the WH these days. They've been shown to stretch the truth too many times for my liking.

 

Well, it's worth the try, I guess.
But it also could be that Trump is pulling the Left's left leg, i.e. faking covid-19 to buzz the Dems and give them false hopes.

Not as of now.

 

I'm going to make a wag here that all of those studies included all the safety methods that have been recommended. None of them can determine what percentage each makes. They just throw out all the measures that can help. When it comes to washing your hands and social spacing I'm sure they can actually prevent infection if done properly but masks have a role which is mainly keeping the wearer from spraying fluids on their neighbors. If you are in a confined area where the virus is concentrated the mask will give minimal protection because most of the ones we are using are splash guards. They may be useful in some situations but the hype is BS.

This damn virus is here to stay just like the flu is. We've all had the flu at one time or another and I think we will all have Covid at some point as well. It will kill some but not all of us, not even most of us. It will just be a part of life like any other seasonal health problem. It won't care who the President is either.

 

I never stated illegal or unethical...I stated money hungry

 

Do you mean hes like Trump and doesn’t pay contractors?

 

So Trump knowingly went out and endangered others?