Trump voters think Trump is more trustworthy than their religious leaders. What does this mean?

This according to a very revealing CBS News/YouGov poll. It really is quite extraordinary. It's unbelievable enough that they trust conservative media figures 14% more than they trust their religious leaders, but it's even more astonishing that they trust Trump 29% more than they trust their religious leaders! I was always under the impression that the Christian evangelical supporters of Trump are deeply religious, and would put their faith before any politician. So what does this mean? It seems that it's close to a cult, if it's not already one.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-poll-indictments-2023-08-20/

 

I don't know. Trump voters, which were only 62% of the total, apparently aren't particularly folks who blindly follow anyone, only 71% even believe Trump indicating that 29% don't believe Trump. I'm not sure why you think that makes them a 'cult'. I'd say that these folks simply aren't blind followers of religious leaders, which is common among Protestants, we tend to view religious leaders as pretty much everyone else, given to the general failings that are common to humans. Do you have some kind of a "religious leaders on a pedestal" thing going or something?

If 71% of 62% think that Trump's generally truthful, that's 44% of the GOP.

Here's your cult: '84% of Democrats say the ethics of top Biden administration officials are excellent or good.'

https://news.gallup.com/poll/509279/majority-say-biden-administration-ethics-subpar.aspx

That's ridiculous.

 

62% of what total?

Yeah, but they are "blind followers" of Trump more so!

No, not at all. But it seems that the majority of Trump voters have some kind of a 'Trump on a pedestal' thing going on.

What's your math workings on that?

Well yeah, I think that there's probably at least 'cult' elements on both sides.

 

Did you review the poll you are commenting on and linked to?

29% don't even think he's truthful. If that makes them a cult, what do you make of Democrats, 84% of which view the Bribed Biden Administration as "ethical"?

It's your claim.

If 71% considering Trump to be truthful = "suspected cult'
What does 84% viewing the Biden Administration as "ethical" equal?

I don't see where you have provided any evidence to support that assertion. Rather, it seems like you saw a blurb and a single screenshot of a poll, didn't bother looking at the rest of the poll or critically examined the point and just ran with it like it was truth.

Is the pot calling the kettle black here?

 

No I mean how did you come to the "44%" figure?

No, I thought that I made it clear that it is not this number alone, but it's when it is viewed alongside the MEASLY 42% who trust their religious leaders.

 

A perfect analysis of what has happened within the Republican Party.

Independent voters — here is your choice.

 

I have to ask: what is the message behind your profile pic?

 

In certain Christian denominations, Christian leaders have gotten a bad rap for the most part in their effort to try to infuse politics with their sermons in one way or the other. However, this is simply a sign of the C word, much like the people who were in Jonestown in the late 1970s. We call this blind faith

 

.71*.62 = 44%

They're Protestants. They don't have the clerical/laity division of other religions. Protestantism is the rejection of strong human authority in religion. Their trust level is strongest for Trump, but even that is significantly less than the average Dem's trust for the Bribed Biden administration. The GOP base is much less a cult and much more base led. They are only committed to Trump to the extent that they believe Trump is committed to them. If Trump double crossed them, they'd drop him in a New York minute. It's a transactional, not a cult, relationship.

 

means many now worship the Golden Cow

 

I would imagine there's some missing context. For example- most of us have one of those friends or family that we wouldn't trust to pick us up from the airport on time or let drive our car on vacation, but would totally trust them to back us up in a life or death fight, or not steal our life savings. So is that person 'trustworthy'? Well it depends on the context.

In the context of Trump, given that he's running for president and that's all anyone cares about, the context is- 'is he a trustworthy president?' That's a pretty low bar. For anti-establishment types, that really boils down to: is he gonna tank the economy, start a bunch of wars, ban guns or regulate our businesses into the ground? No he's not. And that is a far more trustworthy president than most in modern history. Is he gonna lie? Of course. That's what politicians do. But I'll take the liar over the warmongering authoritarian collectivist liar all day long.

In the context of religious leaders- 'do they reliably relay God's will?' Well probably not.

In that context, I find Trump a FAR more trustworthy POTUS than I would trust any religious 'leader' to know or relay God's will.

And before all the Trump haters get their panties all in a bunch- I actually plan to vote for RFK as much as I'm able. I think he'd be a better president. It just looks more and more like no one else is going to because he doesn't love their vaccine gods. Trump is my #2 pick.

 

I didn't compare trust in Trump to trust in friends and family.

Yeah but none of this has anything to do with this poll.

This poll is not comparing Trump's trustworthiness as POTUS to religious leaders' relaying God's will. You appear to have totally misunderstood it.

 

No it doesn't seem close to a cult there's just not enough information here to make a judgment.

How many of that 71% are atheist how many of them belong to churches that embezzle and steal or even abuse parishioners. A lot of America is moving away from the need for religious leaders.

I think people are too quick to use the word cult. That's normally because they're frustrated and throwing a fit because people don't agree with them and that's just how the world works some people aren't going to agree with you it doesn't matter what you think.

 

Wait, I thought T**** was the religious leader for his voters.

 

Violence against the LGBT community has been on a precipitous incline and rhetoric against them will only see it increase, it’s simply a reminder to a group that has relatively low levels of firearm ownership, that armed minorities are harder to suppress.

 

you can't really trust Trump to do anything though, his fragile ego always gets the best of him and he lies like most people breath

but are religious leader any more trustworthy than a parent telling their kid there is a Santa.... point taken

 

Then what is it comparing?

 

Trump supporters think Jesus was too woke and was beta cuck.

 

It's clear that it is comparing Trump's trustworthiness to religious leaders' trustworthiness. See again:

 

You have to know that I'm wondering if you can support that claim.

 

A vanishingly small number when you look at polling. But you do raise a good point. It all goes down to what the question was which was asked to the poll respondents. When it came to the question about "faith leaders", if the respondents were asked about their faith leaders, that would determine whether or not they actually have a faith leader. The way that I interpreted the poll is that it was asking people who have a faith leader. If they say that they do not have a faith leader, then it would be unbelievably stupid to count them in that particular data set. To have included them would be no different to asking non-musicians about their trust in musical leaders, and including that in polling data about 'trust.' It would be totally nonsensical.

Yeah, and maybe I was too quick to throw out the word "cult", although I did only suggest it as a possibility. What would your opinion be if hypothetically, only religious people were included in the 'religious leaders' data set, and also if hypothetically, say 90% of the 71% who trust Trump were religious?

 

Who are?

 

The "C word?"

 

something to keep in mind when you see statistics they're almost always used to manipulate you. Have you heard the phrase that there are lies they're a damn lies and then there are statistics?

If you see statistic blurbs on the news rest assured that there is almost always details you're not privy too and those news channels that put that stuff up there have psychologists professionals that no how manipulate you.

But back to the question I am a Christian that doesn't believe in membership churches I think that violates the call of Christ. But I'm a lapsed Catholic. If you ask me about the religious leader of the Catholic Church do I trust him **** no he's a communist dictator. I know I'm not the only one that feels this way and then you've got individual churches who's the leader who do you envision as your religious leader is this person just a figurehead and elected position a chairman? Or is it a confidant that you do the most expanding of your faith when you talk with them?

Taking a step back and thinking about it it's an excellent thing to do. It's hard to do when it's telling you something you want to be true. But don't feel bad that you jumped to the conclusion that's what it was designed to get you to do. Especially since you stopped questioned it.

I fall prey to this too. There's things I want to believe. This is where you really got to put the brakes on when you see a statistic that affirms your beliefs, take a second think about it.

Polls are a little more useful because it's just asking people their opinion.

 

Yes, that's interesting, isn't it? I wonder what percentage of Trump voters are Evangelicals-- I have to believe, though, that it is not the majority.

Welcome to the recognition of truth-- a bit late, is still better than not appreciating the obvious fact, at all.

See more, below.*

Just trying to help here: what makes you think that Trump voters were only 62% of the total? It says, right on the graph, "top answers-- among Trump voters," indicating that 100% of respondents, had voted (and/or are intending to vote) for Trump. EDIT: I see now, that you had intended your words, "the total," to mean "of all Republicans." But Chris 155au had not been suggesting that Republicans, writ large, were all cultists: only among those supporting Trump.

That is still nearly half, of one of our only two major parties-- nothing to scoff at.

No-- just saying that the ethics of top officials are good, is not the same at all. Without any basis for saying otherwise, it would only be those who had an unreasonable, prejudicial bias against Biden's administration, who would not agree with this.


Secondly, it is not a matter of either believing Trump, generally (which they all presumably must), or not believing him: it is a matter of degree, in comparison to their trust in others. So the poll tells us that, for 70% of Trump supporters, there is no one in the world whose word on anything, presumably, they trust as much as Trump's; this suggests they would take Trump's word over their minister/church, over other conservative media figures, over their spouse, relatives, and friends. This is quite a remarkable endorsement, of faith in the truth of what they are told, by a well-known, pathological liar.

*Of course, this difference in accepting the truthfulness of Trump versus others, would mainly come into play, if there was a discrepancy, between those listed groups. What is at least as remarkable, is that, for the most part, conservative and (relevant) religious leaders, are all in lock step, with whatever Trump says, and a Trump voter's friends & family are also more likely than not to be part of the fold.