Trump wants to ‘open’ the economy by Easter despite the deadly threat of coronavirus

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  1. AKS

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    Pretty disgusted. Trump has been down playing the risk from the beginning and he continues to do so. He's a gdamn embarrassment to our country.
     
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    It is something every American patriot should be proud of. We haven’t seen a president mobilize the nation like this since WW2.
     
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    ORANGE MAN BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAD!
     
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    No, it is very much not always beneficial.

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    "patriot" being the key word.

    Certain people spit that word out like it's bile in their mouth.
     
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    I agree, that's your best defense. smh...
     
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    Certain people define patriotism solely based on the level of worship given to trump.
     
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    I know what a real patriot looks like and it most certainly doesn't resemble trump.
     
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    Nowhere in there does it say that travel restrictions aren't beneficial. It's say that the beneficial and effective travel restrictions are hard to enforce.

    Also, I was talking about travel restrictions on people, not freight. I understand that restricting freight could be a bad thing.
     
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    The Orange Man is bad. We get it.

    Just exhausting. Find a new hobby.
     
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    I agree, it would be exhausting to need to defend that buffoon. But such is your burden.
     
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    We are talking about patriotic to America. Not China. So I can see the confusion
     
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    Seems the only one confused is you
     
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    There is nothing to defend. The left is left with bashing him for hoping we get a hold of this an Americans back to work soon. Seriously. It’s sad a pathetic
     
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    Nope...I’m proud of what America has been able to do it a rather short time fighting the Chinese virus
     
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    And some people define patriotism solely based on their hatred of Trump.

    You know, like the people who can't even praise the people who put in the hard work set up the COVID testing across the country, because they're too busy being bitter and angry and hating Trump.

    Know anybody like that?
     
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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Klain

    On October 17, 2014, Klain was appointed the "Ebola response coordinator" or, less officially, Ebola "czar."[17][18][19] His appointment was criticized because Klain, according to Julie Hirschfeld Davis writing in The New York Times, had "no record or expertise in Ebola specifically or public health in general".[18] Klain's term as Ebola response coordinator ended in February 2015.


    Thank you for admitting the source you look to for information on travel bans has no experience what so ever on these matters and is a long time political operative.


    In mid-October 2014, President Barack Obama appointed Ron Klain as the "Ebola response coordinator" of the United States. Klain is a lawyer who previously served as Joe Biden's and Al Gore's chief of staff.[144] Klain had no medical or health care experience.>[145] After previous criticism, Obama said, "It may make sense for us to have one person ... so that after this initial surge of activity, we can have a more regular process just to make sure that we're crossing all the T's and dotting all the I's going forward". Klain reported to White House Homeland Security Adviser Lisa Monaco and National Security Advisor Susan Rice.[146][147][148][149] Klain did not coordinate with hospitals and the United States Public Health Service, as this is the responsibility of Nicole Lurie, Assistant Secretary for Preparedness and Response (ASPR).[150] President Barack Obama attempted to calm public fears by hugging nurse Nina Pham who had been cured of Ebola.[151]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ebola_virus_cases_in_the_United_States#Ebola_response_coordinator
     
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    Nope.
     
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    ...Did you truly want to make an argument that the guy who was charged with handling the response to a previous health crisis for the country (one that resulted in 0 American deaths, by the way) has "no experience what so ever on these matters?"
     
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    No you are free to list his achievements and education on the matter if you want.. Here is a hint there are none.. Or do you not believe the NY Times now? ( hint his entire career is on wiki same link i posted for you to view ) Come on Lawyer do some damn research!
     
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    A corollary of "beneficial and effective travel restrictions are hard to enforce" is that "easier to enforce travel restrictions are not effective or beneficial."

    Then you understand that it is improper to claim that all travel bans are beneficial. But I don't really want to quibble over whether the ban was beneficial or not. I agree that there was probably some benefit. I just want to know if anyone has tried to quantify the amount of benefit.
     
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    Dude. The wiki says that he was criticized when he was appointed because of a lack of experience.

    When he left the position, he objectively had experience.
     
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    It hurt you to post that.....

    You are far better at spin then this...

    Klain did not coordinate with hospitals and the United States Public Health Service, as this is the responsibility of Nicole Lurie, Assistant Secretary for Preparedness and Response


    Perhaps find quotes from Lurie... You know the one that actually did something.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicole_Lurie

    Or continue to listen to operatives.. It explains a lot.. I'm sure Media Matters wants you think he did more then he did.
     
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    He was in charge of the Ebola Epidemic Response team for four months. That would make him more qualified that Mike Pence, but you do you.

    The point is that travel bans, which are only partial and imposed after the virus has been spreading within a country for several weeks, is not going to provide a significant impact.

    But if you think it does, then please find me anyone who has attempted to quantify the amount of benefit that Trump's partial travel restriction provided.

    I am going to watch the US break the global record for new cases reported in a single day, which the US set yesterday.
     

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