Tucker Carlson using idiot neocon talking points. Why?

Ok so you are making an argument for not invading and occupying other countries then?

China is an imperialist country, check, I get it.

Democrats do not seem to care what China does. I get it.

 

Angola another country we need to invade and occupy until the end of time. They have oil, gas, diamonds, gold, copper and lithium. Lithium! It is a commie country that we can save for Jesus!

China is already heavily trading with them. We can't have that, trade between countries?

https://african.business/2021/12/en...term-potential-in-the-countrys-mining-sector/

 

So why not Pakistan?

According to the Bush doctrine we should be in a full scale war with them. The bush doctrine is the bible of neocon.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_...holds that,the basis for terrorist activities.

Pakistan harbored the greatest terrorist of them all. Bin Laden. They did this right near their military academy while we gave that country billions to fight terrorism. What are we waiting for?

 

I just keep hoping that civil discourse could take place in here, and people like yourself just keep ruining that hope. Perhaps I expect too much out of society, present company included.

Such a shame. With your attitude ( and you are cerainly not alone), it is no wonder that people are incapable of treating each other with respect in here. You thought it was bad when I told someone they were duped, but this is off the charts far worse. Appalling.

 

Nope….. Biden was president... Trump was not...
he took credit for ending the war, which was Trump's idea from the year earlier... Biden set the time and date, the methods, troop levels, with no conditions for the Taliban and screwed it up royally. And due to his screw up 1500 prisoners were released from Bagram airbase (which he deserted in the middle of the night without telling the Afghanistan's) and one of those prisoners returned to Kabul and killed 13 American soldiers and 170 civilians... Biden is the one who went along with the drone strike that killed an innocent man and his seven children...traitor Gen Mark Milley and Gen Frank McKenzie recommended 2500 troops be left there.. Biden's team gave the Taliban a "hit list" of all the US and allies that were not out, and those people are still stuck behind enemy lines today...Private individuals had to go in and remove some of the Americans from Afghanistan when Biden government would not.... Biden abandoned $100 billion highly sophisticated military equipment to our enemies, which is a treasonous act of "aiding and abetting"... thanks to Joe Biden the US is now the number one state sponsor of terror in the world.
The buck stops with Biden, it is his baby, no excuses, he failed... he should have been impeached then..

 

In the end there must be a more productive way to deal with tyrants and bully boys other than blowing up random crap and possibly the world along with it but I don't see what it is at this time.

 

Correct. It happened when we left Afghanistan. The Taliban don't have the expertise, money or equipment to harvest natural resources so they are calling on China to help them with it. They will indeed help Afghanistan and themselves. Tucker has his moments but he is normally right on the money.

 

More correctly, China will help itself to Afghanistan's resources. The Chinese government believes firmly in a China first and to that government China can only be fist if there are no possible threats to the Chinese dictatorship now or ever

 

How am I ruining anything? I don't snark at anyone unless they start it, and then I ask for civility at least twice before I "go loud."

Please quote me on what you thought was an appalling snark at another forum participant.

In future, if you don't like to be reminded that good manners matter, perhaps you could just add me to your Ignore list. I would prefer that to you assigning attributes that obvious don't fit me.

 

I complain about you not showing civil discourse, and then in return you reply with "at another forum participant".

In the business, that is what is called a strawman argument.

Your lack of civil discourse was when you said "Tucker uses idiot neocon talking points because he's an idiot neocon. "

How exactly do you rationalize that this is a means of starting a civil discourse? Lets ignore the fact that Tucker is the very opposite of what is considered a Neocon, and just focus on your hate-filled tirade. While I am not necessarily either one, there are a lot of people on this board that are Neocons, and another large group that are big fans of Tucker.

Is that how you think you can start a civil discourse with any of them? Of course it is not. For someone that feigns indignation at the lack of civil discourse, the above betrays that claim. You complained about a lack of civility because I said exactly "you have been duped".

Which statement promotes a lack of civil discourse "you have been duped" or "Tucker uses idiot neocon talking points because he's an idiot neocon."? You would have a hard time arguing that my statement was more egregious in promoting a lack of civil discourse in comparison to yours. In fact, it is not even close. In truth, I dont care about either one ( i am not a whiner), and my sole goal was to use your statement to expose that your civil discourse plea is as phony as a 3 dollar bill.

There are some people that go out of their way to be civil on this board. You are most certainly NOT among them. You are fooling no one, other than perhaps yourself, but I doubt that even you sincerely believe your "being civil" rhetoric.

 

How did the Taliban call on them? We had 20 years to help them mine those minerals and did nothing.

Tucker did not say China might become a business partner of Afghanistan he said Joe Biden "handed over those minerals to China". Totally not true and total hyperbole and BS.

We do not own those minerals! They are not ours to give away.

If you have been reading my posts there are dozens of poor countries with natural resources that China could tap into. Afghanistan is nothing special.

 

Remember I mentioned Kazakhstan before? The country with the 12th largest oil reserves and a wealth of minerals?

I forgot on purpose to mention that they produce 40% of the world's uranium. Gulp.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_uranium_production

Better invade now before China gets all that.

What is different with that country is that they are producing that uranium now. It is not some mineral in the ground some place that could be mined 8 years from now.

This logic that we should have stayed forever in Afghanistan to stop the Chinese from getting these minerals is moronic.

 

Interesting that Tucker brought up the war in Ukraine in his show last night. He is not the neocon on that war.



He asked the question if we have any idea where this billions in military equipment will end up when the fighting ends. Or even before. Can all of this military equipment end up destabilizing the region?

He also complained that we sent Ukraine $4B to pay for their budget deficit.

Again we act as if another country, not even a NATO country is the 51st state. No effort to end that war because Putin is the excuse for everything and anything wrong with America.

$56B and counting for Ukraine.

 

He opened the door for China to replace us as Afghanistan's ally. How could you have missed that? Frankly China is welcome to the place in my view but it was the Biden administration that caused it. No we don't own those minerals but I think China will things differently. They will support the taliban government and take mining rights in return. They have done it before. It is probably a bit late to be defending Biden in any way.

 

600, 000 of the so-called assault rifles that the idiot wants to take from US citizens

Do you think the Taliban will have a hard time figuring out how to use them?

 

How did he "open the door"? We spent 20 years in that country and accomplished nothing. We should have left a long time ago. We are not obligated to occupy a country just because they have natural resources in the ground.

The Taliban is not going to let non Muslims help themselves to their natural resources. They don't let Iran or Pakistan do that so why China?

As for China and Afghanistan becoming military allies? Who cares?

 

Until they run out of ammo and become useless. By then they could kill a lot of invaders.

 

The neotards like to use big numbers to impress people with their BS. Afghanistan has a trillion dollars worth of minerals! Wow you say right?

But so does almost any country on earth geographically bigger than Texas. Zimbabwe(Noticing a trend folks?) has one mining project for platinum that has 96 million ounces of platinum there. Platinum is over $800 an ounce so do the math. So we need to invade and occupy Zimbabwe then to protect that platinum from China and Russia?

We could go on and on with this moronic logic. There are small oil rich countries like Kuwait, UAE and Qatar. We better gain control of them right? We don't want to "open the door" to China getting that oil!

 

You still misunderstand. I was always talking about the comments we post in reply to each other.

Again, if you can, please quote me in a snarky or mean-spirited comment to another forum user. Otherwise, please do not reply.

 

What was the government doing with a buncha m16 look alikes?

 

The world does not revolve around YOU, and I have misunderstood NOTHING in this exchange. This may come as a surprise to you, but you are not the only one that is allowed to display (feign) indignation.

You have made it apparent that YOU did not like when I told another poster that they had "been duped", which in comparison to your actions, is MILD.

"I" have now made it clear that "I" do not like it when you give these hate-filled blanket statements such as "Tucker uses idiot neocon talking points because he's an idiot neocon" that insults large swaths of people that frequent this board, both fans of Tucker as well as those that are neocons.

There are FAR more respectful ways to communicate your dislike of something, and your hate filled tirade is likely to get a hate filled repsonse in return. Call me old-fashioned. I keep hoping that WE can promote civil discourse on this board, and hate filled tirades such as yours just do nothing to accomplish that aim.(sarcasm).

When you paid lip service to wanting to promote civil discourse on this board, I believed you, but then after seeing your hate-filled tirade, I now know that was baseless bluster. If you cared about civility you would not post that type of comment. You are not part of the solution as you feigned. You ARE the problem.

 

I don't think you have a clue what you're talking about.

You should probably go and look up select fire rifle and educate yourself on what is legal for citizens and what is not versus what the military uses

 

Again, you fail to understand, and only accuse. Again, you fail to quote me verbally attacking another forum user, just as you are very much attacking me. Hopefully you have better things to do.

 

Again, you push forward with your strawman argument. I did NOT complain about you verbally attacking another poster, yet that is the point that you continue to argue against. If I were saying that you were verbally attacking another poster, then by golly you would have a great defense, but since I have not, then your repeated insistence that you have not means nothing.

I attacked your hate-filled tirade and how it predictably promotes a lack of civil discourse. I could not possibly be more clear about this. I wish that you and others could just show a modicum of civility when formulating your argument. Is that too much to ask?

Are you familiar with the expression that you reap what you sow? You spew venom to start a conversation, and then you will get venom in return. It is a never ending circle. How do you not understand this?

Before you respond AGAIN by insisting that I show the text where you verbally attacked another poster, let me save you the trouble, I AM NOT ACCUSING YOU OF VERBALLY ATTACKING ANOTHER POSTER. Rather, I am pointing out that your hate-filled tirade to start a conversation perpetuates a distinct lack of civility in all conversation that follows.

 

This is not Tucker it is a Sky news Australia piece bashing Biden but note the neocon talking points.



1. We need to be super strong against Iran because they can have a nuke any day! After almost 20 years of scaring people about an Iran nukes it might be time to move on. I'm wondering if their nuke program is just a phantom to scare people and give them gravitas.

2. We need to be tough on Russia because China is watching. Yeah good one. Do not try to bring an end to that conflict and stability for the region just keep pumping hundreds of billions there to prove how tough we are!

3. The few of you who watched the video may have missed this little tidbit of stupidity. She said Iran was supplying weapons to Russia! Huh? What does Iran have that Russia would want or need? Russia outfits them.

That is the heart of the neocon argument. Pretend that mediocre or even dirt poor countries are major military threats. Like that idiot Red dawn film that has North Korea a country with almost no navy invading American soil. Yeah right.