Tucker Carlson using idiot neocon talking points. Why?

The focus of Tucker's show last night was China. He opened with the obvious questions about Wuhan and the origin of covid and why Biden and the democrats are so unwilling to confront this. Then he started talking about energy and how we are making ourselves weaker to the benefit of China. Nothing to disagree with there.



Then Tucker goes full neocon. According to Tucker Joe Biden "turned over Afghanistan's entire mineral wealth which is vast, to the Chinese government."

He did? When? This is important to me, Tucker since 2016 anyway has been a solid anti war guy. But this is an attitude we heard a lot from republicans after the Afghan pullout.

First of all it is not true and completely ignores history. But logically if you take this to it's end it means that we must attack, conquer and control any third world hell hole that we believe has vast mineral wealth just so China cannot have it. Think of how dumb that is?

 

A few facts.

1. The people who run Afghanistan are religious fanatics. The Chinese are not even a part of that religion. You have to be south of stupid to think they are automatically copasetic or simpatico.
What is more the Chinese are oppressing Muslims in their own country.
The Chinese like us are infidels to the Taliban.

2. It has been tried and failed duh. The Soviets in the 80s and the USA over almost 20 years were in Afghanistan trying to change that country and accomplish something and both failed. What about that would make China want to do the same?

3. Afghanistan is one of the poorest countries on earth. Vast mineral wealth? We had 20 years to help them access that and we could have cut ourselves in for some but we did not. It must not be easy to access that wealth if nobody has really done it. Suddenly now that we are out of there they are a rich country?

 

Biden's brilliant plan was not a plan!

I'm talking about the $80B in hardware and weaponry Joe left at the airport. Put that in perspective only about 4 countries on earth spend that much on military in a whole year! So yes stupid and a massive waste and a total metaphor for the failure of being there.

But wait. What if the Taliban used some of those weapons against invaders or interlopers? Like against China? Or Pakistan or Iran. Anybody who might be dumb enough to try and help themselves to that country?

 

america's job creators kept us in afghanistan because the afghans have something that our entrepreneurs want. and they did not want us to leave either, so how do you know they weren't getting it?

 

What was that? What in the hell did entrepreneurs want?

Any country with land and human beings living in it is a business opportunity for somebody. So? Pakistan has 5 times more people and they are less poor. Certainly less hostile to American visitors. Why not invest there?

 

LINK: Afghanistan: China to provide Taliban with $31 million worth of food and Covid vaccines - CNN

LINK: China lends Taliban a slow but sure helping hand - Asia Times

LINK: How Will China Deal With the Taliban? | Council on Foreign Relations (cfr.org)

That's just three articles. I can give dozens upon dozens of articles showing how and why China is helping and the reasons for helping the Taliban in Afghanistan. This is not some neocon thing. And while Tucker might be (I'd say is) hyperbolic to a degree, he's not entirely wrong. Anyone remember Iraq? China made a deal with their new government after we ousted Saddam for Iraq's oil. The US never got such a deal afaik. To think that China won't try and take advantage of the Taliban for the resources in Afghanistan is short sighted.

 

I'm not trying to be too long winded here until there are more people responding. Can we at least agree what a total FUBAR and waste our occupation of that country was? We got nothing! We just spent and died and killed.

Our main prize was Bin Laden and we gave Pakistan billions while they harbored him just a football field from their military academy. OMFG! What a failure! What a waste! But here are people saying we need to stay there longer or forever?

 

It is meaningless. China giving 31 million dollars? It's like you giving a bum a dime. You choose to link that and bold face that? Yes China wants them for a friend. So? Are you serious? We are supposed to stay there forever to prevent that?

How is China trying to be friends the same as Afghanistan just handing over their minerals to them?

 

It was TFG's plan, not Joe Biden's.

 

Nobody should plan to waste $80B in anything. I'm just saying that hardware could and would be used against any invaders making it deuced difficult to take over that country.

 

the war in 2001 was about a pipeline from the forrner ussr to india. we even installed a unocal executive (kharzi) as president .

what do the american incs want ?:

In general, the rare earths are used in alloys, for their special optical properties, and in electronics. Some specific uses of elements include:

• Scandium: Use to make light alloys for the aerospace industry, as a radioactive tracer, and in lamps
• Yttrium: Used in yttrium aluminum garnet (YAG) lasers, as a red phosphor, in superconductors, in fluorescent tubes, in LEDs, and as a cancer treatment
• Lanthanum: Use to make high refractive index glass, camera lenses, and catalysts
• Cerium: Use to impart a yellow color to glass, as a catalyst, as a polishing powder, and to make flints
• Praseodymium: Used in lasers, arc lighting, magnets, flint steel, and as a glass colorant
• Neodymium: Used to impart violet color to glass and ceramics, in lasers, magnets, capacitors, and electric motors
• Promethium: Used in luminous paint and nuclear batteries
• Samarium: Used in lasers, rare earth magnets, masers, nuclear reactor control rods
• Europium: Used to prepare red and blue phosphors, in lasers, in fluorescent lamps, and as an NMR relaxant
• Gadolinium: Used in lasers, x-ray tubes, computer memory, high refractive index glass, NMR relaxation, neutron capture, MRI contrast
• Terbium: Use in green phosphors, magnets, lasers, fluorescent lamps, magnetostrictive alloys, and sonar systems
• Dysprosium: Used in hard drive disks, magnetostrictive alloys, lasers, and magnets
• Holmium: Use in lasers, magnets, and calibration of spectrophotometers
• Erbium: Used in vanadium steel, infrared lasers, and fiber optics
• Thulium: Used in lasers, metal halide lamps, and portable x-ray machines
• Ytterbium: Used in infrared lasers, stainless steel, and nuclear medicine
• Lutetium: Used in positron emission tomography (PET) scans, high refractive index glass, catalysts, and LEDs

these elements can be made in reactors (at great price) or they can be found only in china and guess where else?

 

You are aware that Afghanistan is a country it is not a state like Ohio? It does not belong to us. The neocon talks like it belongs to us. Like we relinquished our property.

It is their mineral wealth not ours and they can sell it to anybody they wish. It is called capitalism. If any country wants to make a deal to invest in equipment needed to mine something they can but the Taliban is not going to allow non Muslims to take over parts of their country.

 

We had 20 years people.

20 years to access(Exploit?) that dirt poor country's vast mineral wealth. Why are people concerned about this now?

 

$7 billion, not 80 and mostly useless without specialized maintenance and support that was provided by the US and isn't anymore. If you're gonna complain about old news at least try to get your facts straight.

 

The bold was just to emphasize that I was posting a link. Its what I do with ALL of my links. That should have been obvious with that post alone. But feel free to check my post history if you don't believe me.

And my point wasn't about those things specifically. I was just showing that China does indeed want to work with the Taliban, and why they do. Point is that you were wrong about China and the Taliban.

Nor was my post about wanting to stay in Afghanistan. I personally am thankful that we are out of there. Now....if only we can get out of the rest of the wars that we're in....

 

What you're not understanding is that we were actually on friendly terms with Afghanistan's previous government, giving us access to those minerals. Biden pulling out the way he did ruined that, and gave China an advantage.

 

we are in agreement. iyr job creatirs are not.

you can tell that afghanastan was not a "state" because us marines were doing the shooting, not radidicaluzed incels like a real state.

they talk the same way about honduras, chile, panama, the dominican,etc.

they tend to get very upset when countries do not give them what they want (iran, iraq,, venezuela, nicaragua, cuba etc)

 

$80B according to some.


You are clued into the fact I'm bashing republican neocons on this thread not Joe Biden right?

 

How did we have access to those minerals? We have hardly imported anything from there.
Tjikistan gets as much of these minerals as we do.

https://wits.worldbank.org/CountryP...ort/Partner/by-country/Product/25-26_Minerals

 

This is not an old topic. People with higher primate thinking will want to learn from this debacle and what happened in Iraq.

2/3 of the idiots in Washington think this way. Where will the next moronic wasteful war be?

Why would people talk about a far away country with a per capita GDP of less than $1000 like it is totally essential to our interests?

 

Working with them and being friends with them means nothing. How do we get from there to China owning and controlling every valuable asset in the country?

Are you a capitalist? Capitalism involves interaction and intercourse between people. It is not automatically a bad thing.

If these minerals are worth so much why is this country of 40M people have a GDP of just $20B?

 

True. Its sad. The things we made ourselves dependent on are those elements that you have to figure out how to deal with the 7th century to get. Or, you have to partner with China.

When folks are reminded of these facts, folks get all flustered, and instead of trying to figure out how we can peacefully engage the 7th century, folks go straight to conquest.

 

Had more access then, than we do now.

 

Nothing x 2 still equals nothing! We got nothing from those idiot wars.

 

That is fact that he could have done an hour show on... The Biden crime family and China