Turkey; ' Israel, rid yourself of Lieberman '

They had a war,,and I have no idea how you get racist out of it,,[but it figures, never miss a shot!] Countries have wars,,,people have wars, been going on since the start of time...None of my business to judge who was right.
Point is they have it and they aint letting it go, and it was stupid of Obama just to say it,,,sooo maybe that's your racist!!!
See how that works??

 

Regardless of wars, Israel must allow for Semite civilians to live on their property if Israel has no interest in being racist. If the land belongs to Israel, then the Arabs who live on the land are Israeli citizens. It is criminal and racist to take land from its owners because if their religion.

 

If I were mean and bent on revenge, I would call attention to your spelling error, but I will not as offering a piece of bark off an olive branch. Anyway, to answer your reply, that’s the rub between us, and many of the anti Israel people here Moon. I see the Jewish people and nation as the victim not the other way around. I see no Genocide nor ethnic cleansing. I do see lesser examples of wrong doing by Israel that is on par with other nations stepping over the legal boundary. However I see greater wrong doing by Hamas and others intent on destroying Israel. Here is a relevant cut and paste that defines genocide and ethnic cleansing, Israel does not meet the definitions at all ;

Quite often you hear about accusations of "genocide and ethnic cleansing" directed towards Israel. Amazingly enough, people who say this liken Israel to Nazi Germany or to the regime of Slobodan Milosevic in former Yugoslavia. People who say this have no understanding of what the basic definitions of "genocide" and "ethnic cleansing" are.
Genocide is the deliberate extermination of a people - for one reason or another.

The Nazi objective was nothing other than systematic extermination of every Jew in Europe (and even beyond). Hitler's "Final Solution" resulted in the systematic murder of 6 million Jews. By contrast, in Gaza, for example, the Arab population increased from 731,000 to 1,225,911 in July 2002 - an increase of 68%! Arab Israelis are allowed free movement, lifestyle, study, religion and beliefs, and full civil and political life; and equal participation in all aspects of social and civic life.

Israeli Defense Forces (IDF), unlike any other armed force in the world, does everything possible to avoid Palestinian civilian casualties. They have a strict code of conduct when it comes to conducting military operations in civilian areas. It is any army's responsibility to protect their civilians from the threats of terrorism and eliminating those threats before it is too late. To that end, IDF's actions are purely defensive and take place in response to genuine threats. You will never see an IDF paramilitary unit carry out an ethnic-cleansing-style massacre of Palestinian civilians.

Anti-Zionism says that all people, but not Jews, are entitled to self-determination - this is inherently racist. Comparing Israelis and Israeli leaders to Nazis and Hitler is antisemitic. So is holding Israel to a different standard than any other country.

Ahhh' therein is another rub Moon. I see many examples of misused terms and words along with the some outright fabrications by both sides. When I create a word or use it in a non-standard way. Judge is one of the very worst offenders and I sometimes can not understand what he means to say because of him using words incorrectly. He is hoping to enhance his message, however he muddles it beyond comprehension. Anyway sometimes there are words that no one seems to agree on the meaning. I suggest that these words be defined by the user in a disclaimer. That way there will be no misunderstanding nor no wiggle room. That said here are some thoughts and another cut and paste about the word Zionism.

Zionism" has several different types of meanings:
1. Zionism as an ideology - Zionist ideology holds that the Jews are a people or nation like any other, and should gather together in a single homeland. Zionism was self-consciously the Jewish analogue of Italian and German national liberation movements of the nineteenth century. The term "Zionism" was apparently coined in 1891 (1885 according to some sources) by the Austrian publicist Nathan Birnbaum, to describe the new ideology, but it was used retroactively to describe earlier efforts and ideas to return the Jews to their homeland for whatever reasons, and it is applied to Evangelical Christians who want people of the Jewish religion to return to Israel in order to hasten the second coming.

2. Zionism as a descriptive term - It is also used to describe the belief that Jews should return to their ancient homeland, and might be applied not only to the religious ideas of Evangelical Christians, but to the preaching of the ancient prophets..

3. Zionism as a political movement - The Zionist movement was founded by Theodore Herzl in 1897, incorporating the ideas of early thinkers as well as the organization built by Hovevei Tziyon ("lovers of Zion").
What isn't Zionism?

Not everything that the Zionist movement accomplished, or that Zionists do or say, is a necessary part of Zionism
Not just about a state - Zionism was not, historically, officially a movement to create a "Jewish State." The first Zionist congress in Basle, Switzerland, in 1897 resolved:

Zionism seeks to establish a home for the Jewish people in Palestine secured under public law (or International Law).

Zionists therefore sought charters from governments to establish a national home under their protection. The objectives of the Basle Program were thought to have been realized with the Balfour Declaration of 1917 and the Mandate for Palestine granted to the British in 1922. However, the British eventually reneged on their mandate obligation to support a Jewish homeland. In 1942 the Biltmore Conference resolved to adopt the goal of creating a Jewish state in Palestine, in opposition to British policy. This was not the original official goal of Zionism, but a departure from it forced by circumstances.

So you see even though I think I know how you are using the word I can not be sure. I will say that I believe that the constitution of the Jewish nation can not be questioned or at least run over roughshod and that they have a right just as any country to allow who they wish into THEIR COUNTRY (caps for emphasis). You would have to define Zionism to get a more precise answer. However Israel will most likely remain a Jewish nation and dictate just as other nations who can and who can not remain. That is not Genocide nor ethnic cleansing it’s the right of Israel, and if the laws of Israel are not obeyed they have every right to use force to enforce those laws, just as in other nations.

Rev A

 

Judge misuses many words and terms that detract from the point he is trying to make. I have attempted to help him but he insists on misusing the same words and error filled claims. He doesn't know or does not care what the word racist means; the Palestinians are not a race! Maybe one day that will sink in, but I doubt it!

Rev A

 

Hating Jews, Muslims or Palestinians is racist regardless of how strongly your needs must require such unconditional hatred of the innocent members of a group, and the uncontrolled hatred of Jews, Muslims or Palestinians also does not justify ethnic cleansing or genocide. Land belongs to the people regardless of religion and regardless of your possible needs to hate them. The problem is not my opposition to racism, but rather your appeared need for such.

 

As I said, I tried Please look up race and racist in the dictionary. I have a friend, he hasn’t too much book learning but is intelligent. Anyway he calls everything he doesn’t like ‘communist’. Much in the same way you use racist.

rac·ist

rac·ist [ráyssist]
adj (disapproving)
1. based on racism: based on notions and stereotypes related to race
2. prejudiced against other races: prejudiced against all people who belong to other races “Black power … a call to reject the racist institutions and values of this society” Stokley Carmichael [Kwame Toure] and Charles Vernon Hamilton Black Power! 1967


n (plural rac·ists)
racist person: somebody who is racist (disapproving)

Encarta ® World English Dictionary © & (P) 1998-2004 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

Rev A

 

I don't actually want your 'olive branch ' so please go ahead and correct me.

 

LOL,,when we speak of those two people in the situation they have been in for the last 60 years,,I think we are a bit past racism,,,dont you?
In short,,,They hate each other to death,,,,Literally...

 

That's sad. I thought that we wanted for all Jews to be safe and happy instead of forcing some into a heavily Semite-hostile setting.

 

What on earth do YOU know about justice, old hundred-eyes-for-an-eye? All you want is blood to drink.

 

That's more like it.

 

Very 'christian' of you. Then again I don't believe for a moment you're even remotely 'christian'. Your frequent calls for the death of others reveal an unpleasant fascist undertone. Not nice; not christian. But, hey, carry on playing your silly little mountain militia survivalist games, and stay away from normal people. Thanks in anticipation.

 

Hold on to that hate Moon it does a cause nice.

~rv~

 

That really is a supreme irony coming from someone who revels in the death of Muslims. Listen to yourself 'Rev'.

 

See, see, SEE??? Ha ha (please forgive my semi gloating)... As per my many posts and comments decrying the difference between Palestinian supported Hamas and other doers of terrorist and murderous ILLIGAL criminal activities Israel DOES investigate, indict, and process IT’S OWN. I will reverse my anti Palestinian and anti Hamas/terrorist comments when I see the so called Palestinian do the same!

~rv~

 

That's your right, while I do care about anyone's opinion of me, your opinion is on the decidedly bottom of the barrel, or maybe in the stuff that leaks out of the bottom of the barrel. I have enough support by those two that support me (ha ha). However, lets say for sake of argument no one agreed with me. That would not change anything unless the evidence etc showed that I was out of line etc.

Slander and slanderous lies will get you nowhere but save for maybe infracted.

Read the old testament, specifically the link I provided. The patriarchs of the bible were warriors* that were doing Gods will. There is a difference between righteous God willed causes and murderous actions. I support only the will of God. I am against 99% of all war however I am 99% supportive of self defense and preemptive measures to secure the nations security.

* Righteous Warriors: Biblical Patriarchy
www.righteouswarriors.com/controversial/article3.html
Biblical Patriarchy is the essence and timeless aspect of the Hebraic Roots. ... Biblical patriarchal fathers, where Elohim's (God's) ways were made known in these ... This Scripture, taken from 1 Corinthians 11, is one that is not often preached, ...

It's not just my game silly, prepping is a world wide thing! Calling us survivalists is so 90's get with the times 'old fellow' ; (descriptive paragraph retained it makes the crow taste better)

American Preppers Network - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Preppers_Network
The individuals involved in the prepper network prefer to be called preppers instead of survivalists because they are regular people with normal lifestyles and
www.americanpreppersnetwork.com/

British Preppers | Living Off the Grid: Free Yourself
www.off-grid.net/2011/12/17/british-preppers/
6 posts - 4 authors - Last post: 2 days ago
Tags: bushcraft, emergency food, offthegridnews, preppers, survival, survival UK, survivalists ... Rich people buy gold, normal people buy tuna,

Preppers in Europe in general and in Germany in particular
www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1632772/pg1
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I researched the stuff a little and the whole prepper scene seems to be .... if this will be localized to certain areas or a world wide phenomenon.

Of course I knew the prepper thing would take off when the normal joes woke up and smelled the coffee, I have been a survilis....er prepper for over 15 years...I suggest you read a little about us , and buy a can of tuna or some MREs and yes a firearm etc...

~rv~

 

the last sentence should have read ; I will reverse my anti Palestinian and anti Hamas/terrorist comments when I see the so called Palestinian do the same to Hamas terrorists.

reva

 

I don't give a rat's arse what your book of fairytales says about apocalypses and end days rubbish. I bet you look just great in your camos...and why would I want to read anything about a bunch of delusional nutters living up a mountain?
The only likely doomsday scenario is a nuclear one. You'd be dead in weeks, if that, no matter how many cans of tuna you stashed, or how many stupid guns you had. You're wasting your time and your money on being unproductive and scared.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLwtqwnI6ko"]Hand Of The Almighty - John R. Butler - YouTube[/ame]

No offence...

 

sir, i rather think you have moved into an area that no longer refers to the subject. instede you have begun slandering others beliefs.

 

Yep, that's the beauty of freedom of expression.

 

Unfortunately that is also the ungliness of humanity

 

you should always be polite and understanding to others beliefs no matter how much you disagree. it is unseemly to conduct yourself as you have been.

 

Nobody is arguing that humanity is anything but ugly; belligerent, greedy, superstitious, irrational yes, but humane? Seldom, from my 59 years' experience-so please don't lecture me on my behaviour.

 

when you say humane , what do you mean? give examples.

 

Thank you Tr4ibearer, for the kind words. I was harsh with SS but we have a history. I apologize too you and those that can control their temper better than I, for not setting a good example of someone claiming to represent the christian faith. I remember the scripture that says beware when entertaining strangers because we do not know if we are entertaining angels. Well it went something like that! Hey SS are you a test angel?

RevA