Turns out that the Louisville Bank shooter was a gun control advocate

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  1. Doofenshmirtz

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    Me to. Some are pre 1898 and can be shipped directly with no FFL.
     
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    You can do anything you want to this end, so long as it does not violate the constitution.
    Because there'[s no sense to be found in violating the constitution.
     
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    Doofenshmirtz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I am familiar with the C&R license. I collect curios and relics, but don't buy often enough to make a C&R license worth it.
     
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    I had a C&R license but let it expire after I ran out of space for guns.

    I was surprised at the variety of semi auto guns one could buy through the mail.

    The last one I bought was a M 1 Garand .... hardly the gun of choice for school shootings.
     
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    Thats a good problem to have. I am also out of room. Out of the entire collection, the M1 Garand is my favorite. Its hard to find ammo, so I load my own!
     
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    I would really like to know what was in the journals and the manifesto of the Nashville school shooter. Just to be able to pry open the mind of a loon just a little bit. They claim they won’t release the manifesto in its entirety because it’s a blueprint in total destruction. They also say that in the wrong hands could cause a lot of damage. He sounds like he was a complete nutcase.
     
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    Before I had my C&R, I bought a Russian SVT-40 which was the Soviet equivalent of the M-1 but has a way to adjust the amount of gas for temperature extremes and differences in ammunition.

    It has a ten round magazine but the user still had to use stripper clips rather than using different magazines.

    Thanks,
     
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    That's why the liberals won't release it. It might show that a human being, not THE GUN was the cause of those horrible murders.
     
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    Only because they don't know of it's effectiveness.
     
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    Actually Tennesee isn't as liberal as you clearly think.

    Yes, a mentally ill human being was the cause, and the current system makes it easy for them to arm themselves.
     
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    Especially after mass killings people keep saying "We've got to do something..." and that "something" frequently starts with the evisceration of the 2nd Amendment.

    My list of "somethings" looks very much like yours only it includes upgrading our mental health care system as well as enforcement of existing laws like those you have listed.

    Then there are those who claim to care about mass killings but don't want to inconvenience the criminal element by distracting us with even more unconstitutional gun laws. Most of those people have an irrational phobia against guns and are more interested in nursing their phobias than they are in reducing America's unacceptable homicide rate.

    Reducing America's homicide rate and number of mass shootings cannot be done the cheap and easy way by simply passing more gun laws was that are ignored by criminals.

    If we want to address America's mass shootings and unacceptable homicide rate, we can accomplish that and reduce America's suicide rate as well by investing the time, hard work and funding required to meet America's mental health care needs.

    Thanks,
     
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    The shooter was not a prohibited person, so yes, she could easily buy a firearm.
    It -should- be easy for people to exercise their rights.
     
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  13. Joe knows

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    Tennessee isn’t in control of the manifesto. The DOJ/FBI is. The current system has been allowed for quite some time. Is mental illness new or is it a cultural issue? Looking into the head of a nut case that kept great personal records ( 20 journals, a suicide note, and a manifesto ) would be beneficial for the voter to get a better idea of why. It may allow for better informed voting to try and tackle the issue.
     
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    They are it agreement with TN officials.

    NASHVILLE, Tenn.--A Nashville councilwoman says releasing the 'manifesto' of The Covenant School shooter may provide more harm than good by being released to the public.
    https://fox17.com/news/local/nashvi...us-things-audrey-hale-crime-politics-usa-news

    Beneficial to the voter. LOL. Its a criminal investigation. They are studying it, which is their job, and they'll release it when they are ready.
     
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  15. Joe knows

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    It would be beneficial to the voter. How wouldn’t it? Isn’t an informed populace an enlightened one or do you believe we aren’t capable of voting on issues such as these?

    it doesn’t matter if Tennessee agrees with them. The FBI/DOJ are the ones in control of those documents
     
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    I am sure you think lot of things would be beneficial (or fun to read) to you, but criminal investigations are what they are, and the details are almost never shared with the public on Day-1
     
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    This is t a criminal investigation. There is no criminal to charge. The only reason they would keep these secret in the way you speak of is if there was a case against someone else. If they want to prevent things like this why wouldn’t you let the public know unless they are trying to politically hide something?
     
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    would you consider making someone wait several weeks to a year before taking delivery of the next firearm they want to buy after his law is put into play a violation of the constitution? I sure believe it is
     
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    Mass murder is ALWAYS a criminal act, and is investigates as such.
     
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    Details matter, but on its face, yes.
    I cannot imagine how any such restriction passes the relevant constitutional tests.
     
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    the math alone doesn't work out for a constitutional law. 20 million people bought guns last year.
     
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    Of course adding additional gun control laws to the existing ones is the "cheap n' easy" way to appease those who are unable to grasp the simple fact that criminals, by definition, do not obey laws.
    Like most things that are "cheap n' easy", they don't work but they do appease hoplophobes with "feel-good-do-nothing" rhetoric.

    Since attempting to control human behavior by manipulating inanimate objects / substances has proven to be a failed approach, one can only conclude that hysterical hoplophobes fear firearms more than they are committed to honest solutions that are neither cheap nor easy.

    By that, I mean we must make America's mental health system the most accessible and comprehensive in the world and, if it would lower our overall homicide rate, I'd be willing to pay more in taxes.

    A significant component to accomplishing that goal is, as you said:
    In other words, we can and must do better about detecting, treating and monitoring violent, delusional individuals before they turn into killers

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    Like you, I'm sure that I would find the manifesto and related documents fascinating. I imagine that the DOJ / FBI are withholding the documents for several reasons:

    1. Releasing all the documents to the public would be especially painful to the survivors and victim's family.

    2. Releasing the documents may inspire Copycat killings.

    3. There may be instructions on how to make crude but deadly WMDs.

    4. Perhaps the most compelling reason for not releasing the documents is that it contains information or rhetoric that embarrasses Biden, his family, and most of all, his failed agenda.

    It's long past time that we focus on the minds of the killers rather than the weapons they choose.

    Thanks,
     
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    The mental patient (literally) was able to purchase the mass-killing machine and ammo in about "40 minutes" in red kentucky.

    Ain't that special..................................

    ... The Sturgeons said their son shouldn’t have been able to buy the rifle because of his mental state. They have been told that their son, who was seeing two mental health professionals, was able to walk into the store and walk out with the weapon and ammunition in 40 minutes, Todd Sturgeon said.

    “If there had been a delay or something of that nature, that would have been helpful,” Lisa Sturgeon said. ...

    “The fact that anyone can walk in and buy a semiautomatic weapon, its only purpose being to kill many in seconds, is simply wrong. Enough is enough. Inaction is not an option,” the statement read. “We deserve to be safe in our communities — whether that be at the bank, the grocery store, our schools, or anywhere else.”


    https://apnews.com/article/louisville-bank-shooting-parents-06432800b943a6223455c9775af3d426

    This is a SERIOUSLY f***ed up country....................................
     
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    sounds like the parents should have moved for a commitment order. Lisa Sturgeon is a moron and trying to shift the blame from her family to gun laws. She is lying about that firearm and she is probably trying to avoid being charged as an accessory before the fact.
     
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    "Mass killing machine".... gees... the Democrats DO have propaganda professionals! emi-automatic weapons are designed for many things that have nothing to do with killing people. Your ignorance of firearms is showing!!!

    Mental health services need new rules.
     

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