U.S. focuses on training Ukrainian troops to use less ammo

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  1. AARguy

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    And you know this... how? Turkey would disagree... and it takes unanimous acceptance.
     
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    Well they already tipped their hat as reports are coming from Moldova regarding Russian interference.

    https://www.jurist.org/news/2023/02...ollowing-accusations-of-russian-interference/

    Anyone who doesn't have their head in the sand regarding Putin's aspirations know where this war goes after Ukraine. Trump called it correctly.

    "Authoritarian, expansionist regime"
     
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    Yah...well...Turkey is Turkey....like a Sultan at a bazaar....always haggling. A few $$$ ....and all good.

    Turkey wouldn't object to Ukraine in NATO.....Krym was supposedly Turkish back in the day. I'm sure the Turks would gladly replace Russki tubs in Sevastopol with their Navy.
     
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    Why not focus on terrorists? They actually attack the USA.. and they kill indiscriminately. All you need to be is non-believer.
    And China is a much bigger threat today than Russia. They just exceeded us in number of ICBM's too, btw.
     
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    Wow... decision making by crystal ball.... again and again...
     
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    All we have to do is wait China out. They are going to have a hard 10 years and beyond. By 2050 their population halves to 700M.

    If they roll into Taiwan, we will be more aggressive as we aid Taiwan...
     
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    In my humble opinion, China will attack before the 2024 election. As long as Biden is in the WH, we get weaker and weaker. But when his replacement is named we can only get stronger and China must attack. We won't be that weak again for years... if ever.
     
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    Russia's death toll continues to climb as they "maneuver". It is why they are spending a fortune trying to refortify their rear positions for when they run out of kids to sacrifice "maneuvering". They know eventually their front will collapse (yet again). In the mean time, the US is really really good at making weapons. We keep those businesses operating in times of peace and times of war just so we are always ready. Hell, we aren't even sending them much of our best stuff and Russia is bogged down against it. We are just sending Vietnam War era armor and crap to get it off the books.
     
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    Let's be clear here, I don't like Biden. And I don't think Putin rolls into Ukraine with Trump in office. That being said Biden's handled this surprisingly well. Ukraine does most of the heavy lifting as they should because it's their rightful land so they should be the ones defending it, and we get to minimize the Russian army and possibly oust Putin for a mere 6 percent of the defense budget. He's handled this exactly as he should.

    This was a dumb move by Putin.
     
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    You did ask....and I replied.
     
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    Viet Nam era armor? Huh? In Viet Nam we used M60 tanks and 113 APC's. Now we use M1 tanks and M2/3 Bradleys... which is what we are giving Ukraine. (The first class of Ukrainians trained to us Bradleys graduated in Hohenfels, Germany this week. The "HIMARS" we hear so much about is abit watered down though... same round as ATACMS but designed to fit on Ukrainian vehicles so fewer ready rounds and less of the bells and whistles for fire control. STINGER RMP and PATRIOT PAC-3 are state-of-the-art too.
     
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    In my humble opinion, this whole Russian effort is about weakening us in preparation for the invasion of Taiwan. That's why Russia is losing so badly. It's intentional to use up our war stocks... which can't be replaced overnight. Then Russia and China become the strongest international team in history.
     
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    It's two completely different aspects of military here. With Ukraine, we are hands off. We are just offering them equipment and intelligence. For Taiwan we would be much more involved directly. You would see our aircraft carriers and fighters in play. Taiwan would handle all the ground defence.

    We are fine.
     
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    Good as there is no defense .. its rule breaking - We agreed .. all member nations .. UN security council says no no no . then we don't go into Iraq .. as that would be violating the rule.. .. just as there was no defense for Nato Annexing Kosovo.. OH you have some oppressed minority within a sovereign nation that wants to be free .. OH .. Wait .. where have I heard that before .. think think think "The Kurds" .. Sucker .. :) har har har .. you thought i would say Ukraine which is another member of the club.

    We have a glaring double standard going on .. which is not some big secret .. although you are doing your darndest to pretend it doesn't exist .. and no .. its not different .. just a change in color .. they all have Excuses and thats the only difference .. excuses don't count and don't matter in the court that we signed up for .. what matters is if you are violating the rules .. Either you have SC approval .. or you do not... Rule Number 1 ..

    You understand now .. Rule#1 .. If security council says you not steal land from sovereign nation .. not go to war against said nation .. then not doing u .. or be a violator .. matters not what your excuse is.

    Smart advice would have been to follow the rules.. Not help Saddam with Chemical Weapons .. not aid the Genocide of East Timore .. the War Crimes in Guatemala - El Salvador .. Nicaragua . then Iraq Again .. Libya .. the worst atrocity so far this decade .. Syria .. and lest we forget Yemen .. and Damn Palestine barely an after thought in the list so long .. barely you get chance to complain in the Partisan vein.

    So now you want the world to cry boo hoo .. disrupt their economies .. and take notice of a minor skirmish in eastern Europe .. backward nation perhaps not unlike in Central America in ways ..

    Guess Ukraine should have been a better neighbor .. chosen its friends more care-full .. treated its minorities better .. specially the Russian minorities .. not subjected them to the brutal Azov Nazi .. Nato poke the bear one too many time ... US the main culprit .. .. now Europe sorry .. suffering the consequences of NATO expansion and aggresion towards mother Russia .. In Germany the energy cost is brutally devistating the economy and the population ... USA reaping the rewards .. Now we find out was Biden blew up that line and even if you don't believe it .. the Europeans Do .. Fractures .. this act of international terrorism a really dumb move in retrospect .. one regretted immediately after by many on "The Team" ..

    Should go Utube Hersh .. listen to one of his interviews .. take a step on the path of figuring out what is going on in the world .. like a fish out of water .. what it looks like outside the propaganda bubble ... see what you been consuming .. gulping that down ... :)
     
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    Even if that is not the intention it definitely seems to be having the effect of weakening the barrier against the taking of Taiwan .. which is quite disturbing .. along with the aggressive actions in the Local Seas

    Russia is not losing .. find a better source ?? .. Russia's performance has been far less than stellar .. but, in the grand scheme of things .. Ukraine is losing in near every measure ..
     
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    China will not attack. They have no need to. Just MIC propaganda stirring up the sheep to get support for more arms sales. Now if President Potato Brain starts arming Taiwan en masse, then yes all bets are off. Just as did the US/NATO in ukie banderastan. Train them nazis, yep, the bear don't like nazis. A room temperature IQ knows what nazis on Russia's border will get you.
     
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    Taiwan's military handling a ground invasion by the people's Republic? That's kind of like an ant fending off a million ant eaters... a homeowner in in the Bronx fighting of the Third Guards Army... or Rio Texas fending off two million illegals.

    In Russia we are just wasting our war stocks fighting an enemy that doesn't want to win... just have us waste our war stocks so heir buddies can win in the Pacific.
     
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    China has no need to attack? Huh? They sure do. If they want to meet their stated goals of owning Taiwan in fact as well as propaganda. Russia isn't out to win in Ukraine. They are just using up the west's war stocks so their buddies can take Taiwan.
     
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    Yeah. You aren't conservative because you're, for example, against freedom of speech.
     
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    Just to educate you, the only country that calls it taiwan is the US. It IS the Republic of China. Hear that again? The official name of 'taiwan' is The Republic of China. As to mainland China (hence the 'mainland' reference), it is The People's Republic of China. So just to clear it up, it's already ****ing China. The 'reunification' is political, got it? No need to invade China by... China. Nothing to take.
     
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    I call it Formosa, by the way. ("A rose by any other name would smell as sweet...") Ever been to Formosa? The people tere would disagree with you... a lot. It established its independence under Chiang Kai Chek who was Mao's sworn enemy. It may be one of he most UN-Communist places on earth. The PRC says its part of mainland China. But the people who live there disagree. You know, the way Americans disagreed with King George that they were part of England? I'll go with the residents, the people that live there, over a despot that thinks he owns them... you remember... like America once.
     
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    Seems yer crystal a bit off --- Death toll about equal .. Russia putting criminals and islamist extremists as fodder .. Ukraine the green teens to the meat grinder are sent .. to the trenches to await the Ground and Pound -- Russia a 10-1 artillery advantage .. plenty of ammo ..position dug in . supply line - just fine.

    Over in the US -- who is fine at weapons .. just not fast enough .. Ukraine plowing through ammo at a rate far greater than NATO can produce.. we can ramp up production be good to go 2 years from now .. should the war still be going.

    and we sent some rather nice stuff . was a good test of some of the more modern tech ..best one so far .. Drones very impressive -- different counter measures .. one is an old aa gun that they were going to stop producing ammo .. turned out to be a great drone killer

    but yeah .. got some kind of rose color tint going on . .. not seeing things correct . :_
     
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    Who are you and what happened to AARguy?!
     
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    That's exactly what the world and Russia thought when they tried to roll into Kiev. It seems that invading another country is kind of hard.

    Our war stocks are fine.
     
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    Is Moldova Nazi now?
     

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