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UK breaks record for highest temperature as Europe sizzles

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  1. Jack Hays

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    ". . . This isn’t a right-wing fever dream. Calls for harsh government measures in the name of saving the environment are already in the parlance of influential organizations and figures. In November 2020, the Red Cross proclaimed that climate change is a bigger threat than COVID and should be confronted with “the same urgency.” Bill Gates recently demanded dramatic measures to prevent climate change, claiming it will be worse than the pandemic. Despite millions of people having died from COVID, former governor of the Bank of England Mark Carney last year predicted that climate deaths will dwarf those of the pandemic. Lockdowns, which significantly reduced carbon emissions during 2020, could be the solution. After all, the EU’s climate service gloated, the first COVID lockdown may have saved 800 lives. . . ."
    Coming soon: Climate lockdowns? | The Hill
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    Feb 2, 2022 — Lockdowns, which significantly reduced carbon emissions during 2020, could be the solution. After all, the EU's climate service gloated, the ...
     
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    If we have a "climate lockdown" in US, I will admit being wrong, but until then I'll just call it for what it is, - an opinion piece in the internet.
     
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  3. Jack Hays

    Jack Hays Well-Known Member Donor

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    You asked. I answered.
     
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    Good time to become an air conditioning salesman in the UK I guess. Strike while the iron (and everything else) is hot.
     
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    Was it registered at the airport? It wasnt until the last few decades that we starting using airport weather stations for general temperature data. Prior to that it was known that airports record higher temperatures due to having such large areas of pavement absoarbing sunlight. That hasn't changed of course, still works that way, but fsr we often use airports for our official temperatures now...
     
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    It's difficult to feel bad for them at 40.3c. At east from an Australian's point of view.

    The bigger issue is that they are not acclimatised to it, and their houses and not designed for cross ventilation.
     
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    You won't admit to anything of the sort.
     
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    It is myopie to look at détails an instead stand back and look at 20 year trends .
    Weather is not relevant in détail but in long term tends.
    I remember when I used to visit the UK in the 70's and wearing jumpers in summer.
    Even in France in the 90's anything over 30 C was unusual.
    What is significant is that à températures recorded at the North Pôle this year. I could walk around in a l8ght shirt and be confortable.
    I am concerned about the warming of the équatorial océans that push North and sit on top of the colder water , changing the flow of global current that changes the the jet stream which directly influences the weather.
    The jet stream has been wildly erratic for the last ten years.
    It is the first time in Europe that à compost heap has burned down half a dozen houses.
     
    Pixie, Jul 20, 2022
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  9. Melb_muser

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    I don't think they would just rely on one temp reading...
     
    Melb_muser, Jul 21, 2022
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    And schools will be closed. I guess one could call that 'banning kids from entering school premises' if you want to look at it that way.
     
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    Oh! For!

    the ghost of Steve McIntyre and Anthony Watts https://skepticalscience.com/surface-temperature-measurements-intermediate.htm

    They found data errors over ten years ago - in America only and have been riding that deceased equine ever since
     
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    I remember UK and Europe going thru something similar about 10 or so years back.

    Where I live....about every 10 years we have a harsh and hot summer....with day over day almost 110. Read recently about our 1936 USA Heatwave.....

    Weather does happen. Sometimes it fluctuates.
     
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  13. Melb_muser

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    As predicted, lots of:
    'weather happens'
    'you should remember the summer, back in...'
    'where I live...'

    Unfortunately, numbers and statistics don't lie. The trends are clear.

    Nothing about the influence of humanity on our global weather.
     
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    I take no position on the wisdom of any lockdown. I was asked whether there were any.
     
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    And I was suggesting whether or not it's a "lockdown" is a matter of opinion.
     
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    As you wish.
     
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    As a matter of concern for our fellow human beings, we should be more worried about cold than about heat.
    Cold Kills: Since 2000 There Were 85 Times More UK Excess Deaths Attributable To Cold Than Heat
    By Kenneth Richard on 21. July 2022

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    A new Lancet study ominously reports that from 2000 to 2019 in England and Wales there were an average of 791 heat-related excess deaths and 60,753 cold-related excess deaths each year. That’s an excess death ratio of about 85 to 1 for cold temperatures.
    Adjusted as deaths per 100,000 person-years, the annual ratio is 1.57 heat-related deaths vs. 122.34 cold-related excess deaths throughout the 21st century.

    “Our analysis indicates that the excess in mortality attributable to cold was almost two orders of magnitude higher than the excess in mortality attributable to heat.”

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    Image Source: Gasparrini et al., 2022
     
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    Time for some expert testimony.
    The European Heat Wave and Global Warming

    There is a lot of talk about the short-term European heatwave with some suggesting that the record-breaking warmth is the result of climate change/global warming.

    Some of the media and climate advocates have been over the top in their claims (see below), stating that this event was the result of human-caused global warming.

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    The truth and overwhelming scientific evidence provide a different story: the recent European heatwave is mainly the result of natural processes but was enhanced modestly by human-caused global warming.
    The situation is very much like the Northwest heatwave of last summer; with many of the same elements.

    A Short But Dramatic Heat Event
    As noted in the media, a number of locations broke all-time temperatures records, with some locations in England reaching 40°C (104°F). The map below shows the locations breaking records on July 18th, with the x's showing locations exceeding all-time record highs.
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    At some locations, the previous all-time record highs were smashed by several degrees, something illustrated by this plot of the central English temperatures (shown below). The blue line is this year's temperature, the black line is the average value, and the pink line shows previous daily records.
    The high this week for central England was absolutely unparalleled, particularly regarding the deviation from the previous record high. Also note that the heat wave was very short.
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    In many ways, this event was like last year's heatwave in the Northwest, with previous records being absolutely smashed.
    Ironically, such an extraordinarily extreme event is a sign that global warming played a very small role in this event. This reflects the
    Golden Rule of Climate Extremes:
    The more extreme a climate or weather record is, the greater the contribution of natural variability and the smaller the contribution of human-caused global warming.
    Let me demonstrate how the "Golden Rule" applies in this event. . . .
     
    Jack Hays, Jul 22, 2022
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    “Expert testimony”
    :roflol::roflol::roflol:
    Can’t seem to find it but who is the author of that blog? BTW I also seem to have missed his references and citations
     
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  20. Jack Hays

    Jack Hays Well-Known Member Donor

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    He's Cliff Mass, Professor of Atmospheric Sciences at the University of Washington. Are you embarrassed?
    Cliff Mass | UW News
    https://www.washington.edu › news › people › cliff-mass

    Cliff Mass is a meteorologist who specializes in weather prediction and modeling. A particular emphasis of his research has been the weather features of the ...

    CURRICULUM VITAE - Department of Atmospheric Sciences
    https://www.atmos.washington.edu › ~cliff › CliffsVitae...

    Jan 16, 2018 — cliff@atmos.washington.edu. (206) 685-0910. Education. B.S., Cornell University 1974. Major - Physics. Ph.D., University of Washington 1978.
     
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    His name is cliff mass? Did his parents hate him?

    Still only a blog and no citations
     
    Bowerbird, Jul 22, 2022
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  22. Jack Hays

    Jack Hays Well-Known Member Donor

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    His blog is the appropriate vehicle to comment on current events. If you're worried about citations you may wish to review the publications in his linked CV. And so yes, his is expert testimony.
     
    Jack Hays, Jul 22, 2022
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    If anyone thinks 40.3c is hot, have a read on the earth's history as opposed to some 150 years.

    https://www.climate.gov/news-features/climate-qa/whats-hottest-earths-ever-been
     
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    Still a blog
     
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  25. Jack Hays

    Jack Hays Well-Known Member Donor

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    Yes, and a very useful one. You should bookmark it.
     
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