Ukrainian TV channel 1+1 reported the deaths of more than a million Ukrainians.

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  1. Caligula

    Caligula Well-Known Member

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    Strange that you always describe your own change-the-topic-real-quick comments so accurately. You're free to believe whatever you want, no matter how unrealistic, dumb and full of lies it is. Go ahead, Mr cheap excuses.
     
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    :roflol::laughing:

    Yeah, that's why zelensky is putting women and old men in the trenches....because they don't have many KIA...:laughing:
     
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    Got to go with Bill on this one USV .. It is the Ukraine side who has been taking the huge losses . 500,000 KIA .. Russia maybe a fifth .. 100,000. The idea that Ukraine has less casualties is ridiculous. Russia has been the defender here .. has been Ukraine throwing human waves at the Russian lines of defence .. line really as they never breached the first line ... Russia - the defenders .. having 10-1 artillery advantage .. and way better control of the Sky. the ukrarnians only putting infantry forward (aka human waves) because when the equipment goes into the grey zone it is immediately destroyed.

    Ukraine is finished -- fielding women and Grand Fathers now ..at a cause that hasn't gained any ground since Russia retreated behind defenses early on in the war. since then has been a Ukrainian Sausage fest .. described by every side as "meat-grinder" .. war like never before .. Russian artillery - and bombs pinpoint targeted to Ukrainian attacks .. this has been going on ever since Bakhmut . - a mass slaughter of Ukrainian troops .. who are now out of ammo as predicted by all the pundits on both sides -- out of supplies -- and now out of trained combat ready human capital.

    It is criminal at this point for Zelenski to be sending more soldiers to the front line - to die in a hopeless foregone conclusion. The fact that the media has forgotten Ukraine almost completely in favor of the Israeli Conflict is not a good sign -- if there was good news on the Ukraine front .. they would be reporting it .. despite Israel .. but, only more bad news for Biden's JV-Team Azov to report so they don't report at all .. all the news that's fit to print :)
     
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    Ahahaha.... My favorite thing on this forum is your "you're all lying". :roflol::roflol::roflol:

    According to your alleged "logic", you should have waited for Nixon's official confirmation of the Watergate scandal, but not listened to the journalists' statement. :roflol::roflol::roflol:
     
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    Destroyer of illusions Banned

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    No, no. The Russians have been declared the spawn of hell today. Only Jews can commit genocide, kill children, bomb schools and hospitals.
     
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    Ahahaha.... Read carefully and watch the video carefully - This is the Ukrainians claiming over a million Ukrainian soldiers died. :roflol::roflol::roflol:
    However, the split consciousness of those zombified by the Western media was expected.:roflol::roflol::roflol:
     
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    Ahahaha...
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    Destroyer of illusions Banned

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    By the way, did you see how German President Frank-Walter Steinmeier arrived with a state visit to Qatar, but no one met him and he had to stand in the hatch of his airplane for half an hour, patiently waiting for the Foreign Minister of Qatar to finally deal with more important matters and arrive for the meeting?
     
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    By the way, the inauguration of Ecuador's president was held to the Russian patriotic hit "Victory Day." (YouTube is censored, so I give a link to the video from Russian video hosting) https://rutube.ru/video/e5f563210860bc75a3ecc9f6cd16929a/
    Why did he choose that particular song? Why do you think?

    Video for those who have not heard this Russian patriotic hit.
     
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    ..and Russians....ahahahaha....and of course the wee guys.....
     
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    I never said you're all lying, I just highlighted as a possibility in either of these individual claims. Do you accept that possibility or do you think we should automatically believe anything we see on the internet (including all the things that contradict the other things)?

    I think the questions I raised about the claims and sources you linked are perfectly reasonable yet you're entirely ignored them. For example, do you have anything beyond the single out-of-context video to support the claim that the Ukrainian Ministry of Defence has officially announced the figure quoted, in contrast to all the other evidence of Ukrainian officials, multiple third parties and the Russia government itself consistently quoting much lower figures through the war?
     
  12. Caligula

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    Quick, change the topic. Steinmeier - oh, my God; the horror. Again, your blather has nothing to do with this thread. Can't stay on topic - too difficult (?). Obviously too busy speading misinformtion, fake news and lies.
     
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    Do you have difficulty with reading comprehension? You do not understand the fact that the UKRAINIAN media claim that the losses of UKRAINIAN SOLDIERS exceed one million. Where is it written that this is an official statement by the Ukrainian Minister of Defense?
    But if we take into account the fact that all (once again - all) opposition parties and media are officially banned in Ukraine, then if the leading Ukrainian TV channel shows such figures, it means that the channel has grounds for this.
     
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    Ahahaha... Your usual response is "you're all liars". :roflol::roflol::roflol:

    Watch the video https://rumble.com/v3yqywp-german-president-left-waiting-on-tarmac-in-qatar.html

    By the way, the head of VW said that VW is no longer competitive.
    The head of the VW brand Thomas Schäfer spoke at a general meeting of union leaders in Wolfsburg and did not spare any harsh words to outline the current critical situation in the company.
    "Given the losses of many of our former structures, processes and high costs, we are no longer competitive as a VW brand," he said bluntly.
    But that's not the point. The main thing is to continue arming Ukrainian fascists. Isn't it?:roflol::roflol::roflol:
    And don't forget to increase sanctions against Russia. :roflol::roflol::roflol:
     
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    HonestJoe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That is literally what the scrolling text says in the video. "Ministry of Defence: Since the start of the war, 1,126,652 military personal are dead or missing." (rough translation, it's a tricky language for a native English speaker). Did you actually check what it said or did you simply echo what you were told it said?

    So, yet again, do you have any other source for that figure, given how significantly different it is to the figures from literally every other source, including independent sources and Russia itself, and that such a massive loss hasn't been picked up by any other news source, pro-Ukrainian or pro-Russian, beyond some random personal video?

    I totally accept that it could have actually been reported on Ukrainian media but even that wouldn't automatically mean it was correct. Your story isn't that over a million Ukrainian soldiers are dead or missing, it is that this figure was apparently reported so casually on Ukrainian news.

    It simply doesn't make sense that they would report such massive figure but only on a passive ticker and not as a major headline. Whatever the truth actually is (and I honestly don't pretend to know), there is clearly something more to it. Where is your intellectual curiosity?
     
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  16. Caligula

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    You should learn to read and comprehend before you reply. Not once have you demonstrated you's able to do so. Is everybody in Russia this illiterate. Nothing of your blabbering has anything to do with the topic. Change the topic, post completely unrelated BS, don't provide any factual sources for outlandishly idiotic claims and keep on repeating the western world is collapsing. Yawn. Pootin's boot-licking propaganda parrots have been making these silliy clains for more than a decade. If you see them, thell them they should try something new and don't walk past a mirror.
     
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    Your comment didn't surprise me.... Ostriches, for example, hide their heads in the sand.
     
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    Ahahaha... You want references? Please.... For example - Germany seeks to reduce amount it gives to €20bn EU fund for Ukraine, leaked document reveals https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-n...ks-reduce-amount-to-20bn-eu-fund-for-ukraine/
     
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    If that is true, you should have some kind of meaningful response to it. I'm still not dismissing the possibility of that being an accurate figure but your single third-hand source remains inconsistent with literally any other. You seem to be presenting that figure as unquestionable fact for the sole reason that it is what you want to believe for some reason.

    If I showed you a clip from Ukrainian media reporting the more commonly reported lower (though still disturbing) casualty figures, would you automatically accept that as truth too?

    Or can you explain why, if this figure is accurate, the Russian government would choose to massively under-report Ukrainian casualty figures?

    They don't actually, that is a commonly believed myth. Fancy you blindly accepting something you've been told without double-checking.
     
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    Because it has already doubled the amount of support for next year, Mr Holmes. And again, this has nothing to do wth this thread. All you post is the same meanngless empty phrases over and over again. Tell those boot-licking Ruzzkis to try something new if you see 'em and avoid mirrors.
     
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    A plane that was scheduled to fly to Dubai for a global warming summit has frozen into the runway at Munich airport.
    Video https://rutube.ru/video/e7b0a5a97452f6fd5fd939e5e31a5539/
     
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    Are you familiar with the term - "Figure of speech"? Or is literature too complicated for you?
     
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    HonestJoe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Of course I am. Are you familiar with the term "joke"? Now how about you familiarise yourself with actually addressing the core point of my post on your thread topic?
     
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    This is easily explained. Why should official Kiev say once again that Ukraine is suffering such heavy losses? It undermines morale. Just the fact that there was a single report of such losses indirectly proves the truthfulness of this information. Apparently the censors did not notice and there was an accidental leak of information. What should I do in this case? Yes, nothing can be done, but you can ban the media from spreading this news further to minimize the damage.

    And answering why the Russian side gave a lower figure of losses, there may be several options. First, the commentators said "dead and MISSING." Where did the second category go? Apparently, some of them were captured, then naturally they are not taken into account in the Russian estimates of the dead. Secondly, the dead may lie unnoticed somewhere in the fields - they are also included in the "missing", but they were not considered dead by the Russian side.
    Finally, some of the wounded Ukrainians could be taken to the rear, where they later died of their wounds. Observers from the Russian side consider them alive, but in fact they died.
     
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    Dead or missing: that 1,126,652 AFU servicemen were killed and missing fits in with the expected casualties
    of a 10:1 ratio of Russian to Ukrainian artillery and the observed figure of 450,000 filled graves in the Ukrainian
    military cemeteries, suggests around 45,000 dead Russian soldiers at that time.

    I don't think all that is worthwhile just to get NATO moved one country further east.
     

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