Ukrainian units are leaving behind their Western tanks and advancing slowly on foot after coming up

Once again you try to blame Zelensky for Putin's crimes.

 

@Durandal .... Hi mate, your new Avatar...is that Igor....

 

Yep, poor old Strelkov.

 

Soo...gifter....seeing as how rubble is worthless than worthless....where's the pud pull cheer team for BRICS....you continuously dodge this....why's that?....looks like the writing is on the $hithouse wall...gifty.

 

......briliant!!!!
has the lad re-appeared or is he still having his finger nails plucked....

 

Last I saw was him sitting in a cage in Moscow with his arms crossed and not looking too happy

 

Stories from parallel reality. And when you will ask this person, where he got this kind of information, answer will be silence, because he just repeats some Russian propaganda bullshit from internet without much of the thinking.

 

...needs his mum I guess....bless his little cotton socks

 

The important question is not whether Ukraine will recover territory; they will. The important question is whether the Russian Federation can survive defeat; that is an open question.

 

...they already are....what day are we on of the 10 day Spec Op....

 

Looks like NATO doesn't agree with your prediction .. which maintains your 100% strike out record friend .. do you not tire of being wrong .. you should know by now that if your sword crosses mine you are going to lose ..

This time as is so often the case .. your perspective is backwards to reality .. trying to mirror the sad state of Ukraine onto Russia .. a common propaganda technique..

but, regardless .. Looks like Nato is ready to give up Ukrainian territory for an end to the war .. told you the EU did not have the long term stomach for this . public sentiment getting more and more against continuing the war by the day. ... be nice to get this thing over by the time the cold weather comes .. get that lovely cheap Russian Gas flowing again.

So horribly backwards and wrong your perspective but, hopefully this can help you to learn in the future

 

Don't forget to link your source, Gifter. I recall it being a Russia Today fake news article.

 

I already linked to source .. and indeed was RT .. but was not "fake news" .

Why would the story be fake news ? from the fellow who has demonstrated having absolutely no idea what fake news/Propaganda is ?

 

How Russia spreads disinformation via RT is more nuanced than we realise
This article is more than 4 years old
Robert Elliott
Monitoring the output of state-controlled media allows us to counter its power – the Ofcom fine for RT is a start

The £200,000 fine handed out by Ofcom to the TV network RT (formerly Russia Today) for repeatedly breaching impartiality rules over its coverage of the Skripal poisoning is a powerful reminder of the tactics Russia employs to manipulate public opinion in the west. The daily deluge of disinformation produced by RT and Sputnik is a vital component of the tactics that other authoritarian regimes are seeking to replicate.

Monitoring and measuring the output of these state-controlled broadcasters is vital to understand how hostile nations are attempting to influence audiences around the world by utilising fake news, disinformation and propaganda. A detailed analysis of the output of state-controlled media often reveals a fundamental disparity between Russian-owned outlets in the UK and the rest of Europe when comparing them to established news organisations. The volume of coverage, framing of coverage, and average engagement with that coverage is, at times, widely disparate.

... evidence is mounting to suggest they routinely disseminate stories designed to sow division in the west and pursue the foreign policy goals of the governments that back them, consciously or otherwise. According to a report published by the Policy Institute at King’s College London, (Weaponising news: RT, Sputnik and disinformation), RT and Sputnik distributed no fewer than seven conspiracy theories about the Skripal poisoning. The report also found that claims made by Russian state media about the country’s advanced weaponry were reported as fact in UK newspapers without verification. It is difficult to demonstrate the extent to which this influences public discourse, ...

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...a-disinformation-rt-nuanced-online-ofcom-fine

 

That is not the article I posted .. that is some silly nonsense having nothign to do with the war ... a desperate attempt at deflection on your part .. from fact the fact that Nato is thinking about giving up Territory to get this war done.. Yeeeeouchii .. woooowwwwchii Durandal ... thought you were telling us Ukraine is winning Har har har.

https://www.rt.com/russia/581322-ukraine-surrender-land-russia/

 

Check out the new thread featuring your beloved 'Ukrainska Pravda' that you source so much.

 

I don't understand how exchanging claims on territory for NATO membership is an answer.

The 'brightest of red lines' was allowing NATO weapons, particularly short range nuclear missiles
be placed in Ukraine.

The Russian Federation went without the territory of Ukraine for 3 decades, it was the immediate
threat of annihilation on their doorstep that was the problem.

Not just the possibility of being destroyed, which the US appears perfectly happy with,
but even the likelihood the US would use the missiles as a threat to destabilize the Russian Federation,
an aim which NATO has stated it has.

I've lost track of what is going on, unless Black Rock has bought the Russian Federation...

 

I hope you understand that for Russia to accept Ukraine's NATO membership in exchange for territory would be a stunning, historic defeat for Russia.

 

Who said Russia would agree .. they may keep the territorial gains .. and require demilitarization .. and join NATO all you like .. Laughing all the way to the bank .. as who cares about NATO ... an org which is gong defunct .. one who turned out to be a toothless tiger.

Historically this will go down as a Brilliancy on the geopolitical Chessboard .. should russia keep its gains ... and have relations go back to business as Usual .. who cares about NATO .. it is the hugely strategic and valuable territory that is important .. representing some 90% of Ukrianes GNP .. a huge win-fall .. should vlad decide to keep it all .. a massive win... once again your perspective is ridiculous and backwards .. void of what is happinging on the big board ..

 

Sorry, but that's more fantasy.

 

Latest fromISW
Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment, August 15, 2023
Aug 15, 2023 - Press ISW

Ukrainian forces conducted counteroffensive operations on at least three sectors of the front on August 15 and reportedly advanced in Luhansk Oblast and western Zaporizhia Oblast. The Ukrainian General Staff reported that Ukrainian forces continued counteroffensive operations in the Bakhmut, Melitopol (western Zaporizhia Oblast), and Berdyansk (western Donetsk-eastern Zaporizhia Oblast) directions. Coordinates published by a Russian milblogger on August 15 indicate that Ukrainian forces have advanced south of Dibrova (7km southwest of Kreminna). Geolocated footage posted on August 14 indicates that Ukrainian forces advanced into Robotyne, and further Russian and Ukrainian reporting published on August 15 suggests that Ukrainian forces have committed additional counteroffensive brigades to the western Zaporizhia oblast area. Ukrainian Colonel Petro Chernyk stated that the Ukrainian counteroffensive is advancing slowly in southern Ukraine because Ukrainian forces must overcome a three-echeloned Russian defensive line. Chernyk stated that the Russian line of defense includes a first line of minefields stretching several kilometers wide; a second line with artillery, equipment, and personnel concentrations; and a third line of rear positions meant to preserve resources. Chernyk noted that Ukrainian counterbattery measures are especially important in order to prevent Russian artillery from targeting Ukrainian mine-clearing equipment. Chernyk’s statements are in line with ISW’s previous assessments that Russia’s doctrinally sound elastic defense is slowing Ukrainian forces’ advances in southern Ukraine.

 

And once in NATO the buildup of forces and $$$ pumped in would be stratospheric.

 

That would be a catastrophic defeat....not so gifted one....you simply don't see the forest for the trees do you.....Finland already in NATO....soon Sweden.....that means Baltic Sea,Gulf of Bothnia/Finland are solid NATO territory no to gifted.....in addition to 700 miles of NATO land border to invest trillions....now you have an ocean to try to maintain....gifty....not happening....50% + of Zorcistan military destroyed in Ukraine....how's that possible vergrifter.

If Swedes agree to Gotland getting militarized....then that becomes a huge listening post....no more Zorcs trying to cut communication lines or energy pipes.....gifty.

Same as Ukraine....once in NATO....Odessa is a NATO naval port.....Kharkiv is a huge US airbase....Orcs can't even come close to matching that.



How bout that RuZZki track team running outta Urozhaine....so fast that some of those Zorcs lost shoes spinning in their $hit yo highball it outta there. Problem is...the orcs track team didn't perform well....clusters kinda interfered and about 500+ didn't make it.

No Olympics for these dudes.

But more importantly...Urozhdine is like the last stop before Mariupol....Azov Sea is barely 50 miles from where UAF is currently.

What's the 10-1 back slap pud pull....gifty?

 

"backslap pud pull?" - I'm not part of the Azov "Orc Orc" Cheer Team Zoomie -- don't know all your secret codes and rituals - but that demonization trope ... and the chuckle chuckle antics .. wink wink .. and backslap stuff .. strange and disturbing.. so don't be trying any of that silliness on me Friend .. can keep that fallacious filth all to yourself and the A-Team .. if ya know what I mean .. ?!

Taking the land along the Black Sea to Crimea of huge strategic and economic Value .. a massive win .. that and the rest of the land to the Northeast side of the Dneiper .. 90% of Ukraines GDP... massive Win and Major defeat for US-NATO and the proxy team. Vlad down in the History books as Hero to the People ... Hero to the Motherland .. his dream fulfilled. Nato is already on Russia's border in Poland and Finland .. Ukraine joining the club .. who cares .. did Lithuania make it in yet .. Har Har.

and Zoomie Ukraine is not even on the Baltic Sea .. ?? Silly talk friend - blind to the overall geopolitical chessboard .. assessment abilities worse than lacking .. dyslexic almost .. and not sure what kind of "backslap Pud Pull" or what ever it is you call this ?

 

Tell me about this Fantasy Jack .. what is it you are fantasizing about Today . Tell you one thing... annexing Crimea and the Land along the Black Sea a huge win .. the Separatist region in the NorthEast .. a bigger win.

You see Jack .. gaining territory is what "Winning" looks like, not "Losing" as in the fantasy that you and the Cheer Team wish to believe .. giving and getting backslaps is not proof of claim Jack .. will not change the fact that Ukraine losing 90% of its GNP to Russia is Losing Jack.. not winning.

Vlad will be regarded in the History books as Hero to the Motherland if he manages to secure the newly aquired territory .. call that the buffer zone and who gives a hoot about NATO .. this is about the Money Honey Har Har ...