Unemployed graduates

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  1. diamond lil

    diamond lil Well-Known Member

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    They're might be vacancies for graduates who want a career in earth development.

    This lady doesn't.

    It would only be fact if you could prove it. I don't believe any oil service company would invest in training a graduate whose ambition was to be a museum curator.

    Because she doesn't want a career in mining, or whatever.

    Why the hell would she turn up in Australia if she wants to be a museum curator in this country?

    She wants a job that will help her achieve her ambition, but will do any kind of casual work in the meantime.

    You're just offering anecdotes. They're not at all helpful.
     
  2. Oddquine

    Oddquine Well-Known Member

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    But if you want to be a museum curator, don't you need to have the qualifications to be a museum curator? What is stopping her taking any available job to earn money, and saving in order to take the qualifications needed to achieve her ambitions...perhaps through the Open University in her spare time, rather than continually apply without the correct qualifications.....and whine because she is getting the same result every time?

    Have 200 unsuccessful job applications to be a museum curator not yet convinced that that it is going to take a little more than wishful thinking on her part to achieve her ambitions, and a little more work.

    When did it become the responsibility of the taxpayer to maintain someone indefinitely until they get a job they are not ever going to get because they are not qualified to do it.

    Entry Requirements according to direct.gov.uk

    You would usually need a degree and a postgraduate certificate, diploma or masters degree in museum or heritage studies.
    If you want to specialise in a particular area, such as fine art or archaeology, you will usually need to have studied a relevant subject.


    Entry Requirements according to the OU

    An honours degree is an essential entry requirement for the majority of curatorial positions. Graduates with a related subject (such as anthropology, archaeology, archive and museum studies, fashion and textile design, fine art/visual art, history of art or heritage management) may find it easier to enter the profession. In many cases, a postgraduate qualification, usually a PhD in your specialist field or a Masters/Diploma in museum studies or arts administration, is required. Some previous work experience, which can be on a voluntary basis, is also preferred.


    The work experience is not a substitute for an appropriate degree.the work experience is an adjunct to an appropriate degree in a very competitive market place.
     
  3. diamond lil

    diamond lil Well-Known Member

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    She isn't whining. She said she would take any job. She can't find one, along with about 3 million others.

    Show me where she has claimed to have applied for 200 jobs as a museum curator. Tell you what. Don't bother to look because didn't claim any such thing.

    So, she is qualified enough to get a foot on the ladder.



    She has an appropriate degree.

    Now, if you were getting wound up over the fact that tax payers are supplying businesses such as Poundland with free staff, then I would sympathise, but as it is you're getting wound up over nothing.
     
  4. verystormy

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    Sorry, but she just is not qualified. She is in competition with this. One of the most respected departments in the world for what she wants to do. And they can not find vacancies for all of their students. http://www2.le.ac.uk/departments/museumstudies

    Its no good someone saying they want x job. She could get geological work and doesnt. That should be the end of benefits. Benefits are not there to support you while you chase your dream. They exist as an absaloute last resort because you can not find ANY other work. She could have work if she wished. Too many people view benefits as an entitlement. They are not. If you can get work you take it. Nothing else for it.

    If she was that desperate why isnt she enrolled on the master program. It even comes with funding. Or even do a year of geology as it would pay enough to do something and there is nothing stopping from applying for jobs while working.
     
  5. Milk

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    What a lot of graduates fail to realise I feel is that the hard work does not stop after university. Just because you have a degree does not mean you will automatically land a well paid job.
    This applies to all fields of study, naturally some do have better chances than others but it is not definite. Unless you did outstandingly well at university and can produce one heck of a recommendation from a 3rd party your chances of being hired off the bat are slim.

    I think she has too high expectations, if she has to work a year or two (perhaps more) stacking shelves in a supermarket then that just might be how it has to be. In regards to her volunteer job she might just have to look elsewere. The article does not state how many hours a week she is working, however I am fairly sure that the minimum hours required on the scheme she is doing is 16 hours a week (sorry, I can't cite it).
    It's not a nice situation but if she has to work in Poundland and send endless CV's out until she gets a job then that might just be how it has to be. She should not expect the government to hand her money while she spends time going for her dream job.
     
  6. diamond lil

    diamond lil Well-Known Member

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    What none of you seem to realise is, she cannot get any sort of job along with 3 million other people.

    She hasn't been offered a job.

    She was made to do unpaid work which she is protesting about and I don't blame her.


    But getting paid for it, yes?

    She's not saying she wants x job. She cannot get any job. I suggest you read the article properly.

    Read the article properly, digest the contents and get back to me.
     
  7. raymondo

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    Anybody who is supposedly clever but cannot find ANY job is either badly non savvy , presents themselves badly or is disadvantaged , perhaps physically .
     
  8. hiimjered

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    Did she apply for an appropriate job - one she was qualified for and competitive for?

    People don't just suddenly offer you jobs, you have to apply. They won't train you into a job you are unqualified for - especially when they have qualified applicants. You have to put yourself in a position to be competitive and you have to find the opportunities.
     
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    If people have a proper education and have a skill people need in the real world they would not have a issue.

    My company screams, and I mean screams for well educated technical personal on all levels ( whether it is vocational, college or uni) but people rather become some poorly payed ''communication advisor'' or so other rubbish profession for which there is almost no market.
     
  10. diamond lil

    diamond lil Well-Known Member

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    Yes.

    Are you not aware there are getting on for 3 million unemployed?

    Where do you live?
     
  11. diamond lil

    diamond lil Well-Known Member

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    How very intersting (!)...and what does that have to do with working for no pay?
     
  12. Oddquine

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    She wasn't working for no pay....she was working for the right to pick up JSA from the taxpayer.
     
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    They would not be in that situation if they took a look if there was a future with the courses they take, geology is cute and adorable but in most cases wil be near impossible to get a job. Now her own fault, but the fact she works for 53 pounds a week at a commercial business is stupid I give you that. But we do not know in how many cases this happens.
     
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    All I've seen is info on her attempts to get a museum job - which she is not competitive for at all.

    As for unemployed, there are always millions of unemployed people - even when there are millions of unfilled positions. A quick scan of the web finds hundreds of available geology jobs in the UK, so there are opportunities.
     
  15. diamond lil

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    Show me that. Quote the relevant part.

    Give me a link to them.
     
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    diamond lil Well-Known Member

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    She wasn't working for the tax payer. she was working for a private company who did not pay her wages. She was therefore working for nothing.
     
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    diamond lil Well-Known Member

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    Please read the article properly and then comment.
     
  18. verystormy

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    I dont think you have read the posts above. The issues is that actually geology is in massive demand with areound 2 vacancies for every geologist. Current starting salaries for geology grads is about $95k. Companies are screaming for geologist, but because it is not a popular course there just arent enough comming through the University system.

    Most of the students at my old university that will graduate this year in 6 months time have already accepted offers.

    People dont realise that pretty much everything you have or do is dependant on geologists. The computer you use requires input from over a 100 different mines. The ore deposit was found by a geologist and then mined by geologists. The plastic comes from oil which was found by geologists, produced by geologists. Even the food that you eat was probably grown with the help of fertiliser that requires phosphate which is mind and managed by geologists. Any big building you see will have been built with the assistance of engineering geologists - as would roads, dams, tunnels etc. Your household waste will go to a land fill which was designed by a geologist, then monitored with geophysics and geochemistry by a geologist. The house where you live was built using stone and clays found and mined by a geologist. And before it was built a geologist would have checked for and if necessary done ground remediation. Oh, and the water you drink? If it is ground water then guess who found it, drilled it and manages its production.

    Hence the huge demand, particularly as countries such as India and China are using massive amounts of raw materials in their industrialisation. Also, as the worlds population increases the demand for materials increases - the moment your laid in the crib for the first time you are an iron ore, nickel, zinc and oil consumer. You then go on consuming more and more minerals and materials every day. At the same time the number of geologists is falling due to kids not wanting to do hard science. Though its good for me as i get offered jobs daily and have a very nice salary. So keep up that consumption.
     
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    Still don't get it .
    The "Geologist" is blaming everybody but herself .
    Unless she made the media fuss to get herself noticed and obtain a job because of it ( fine , if true ), I would not be surprised if she was a pain in the rear on a personal basis .She must have interview weaknesses or is the unluckiest girl in the country .
     
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    She was working for her JSA.....just as everybody else on JSA has to do :bored:

    Does she think that because she is overqualified for stacking shelves that absolves her from having to jump through the same hoops as everybody else has to do?

    Did she make any effort to get her volunteer job at the museum formalised into something which the JSA rules would support? If not, why not?
     
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    I don't think she is doing herself any favours at all. She comes across badly.

    While she won't work for her taxpayer funded JSA, she has no compunction about suing the taxpayer funded Government which has set the rules.....perhaps in the hope of pocketing big bucks so she can afford to go back to University, without the effort of having to work to fund herself, and actually acquire the qualifications she needs to get the job she wants, do you think?
     
  22. diamond lil

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    No, I don't think. I think you don't understand the situation at all.
     
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    You keep repeating that , but do not explain yourself . The paper article provides our "facts" and our comments are based on it .
    On the basis of that article , she has as much chance of winning one penny as I have of winning the Lottery .
     
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    No, it doesn't. Please quote anything in that article that backs up your comments.

    Nowhere in that article does it state Miss Reilly is suing the government.

    I suggest you read it properly.
     
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