UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot outside Hilton hotel in Midtown in targeted attack

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  1. straight ahead

    straight ahead Well-Known Member

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    I pretty much hit the nail on the head with my above post right after it happened. He turned out to be a Unabomber type. The mystery for now is how he gathered so much information on where his target would be at a given time, and whether or not he had help doing that. It's also possible that he had a few near misses before he caught up with him.
     
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    Ok. This I did not know. Thanks
     
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    Well either way it was very good detective work that found him, I admit I am impressed with that work.
     
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    I wondered about that too, I wouldn't have shown my entire face:
     
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    Space_Time Well-Known Member

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    It might not be completely safe in the current climate to identify yourself as having participated is the suspended's capture:
     
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    it does show why public cameras are so important in solving crimes, 20 years ago, he may have got away with it
     
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    United Healthcare should reward him... not sure will get part of the 50k if he did not report it
     
  8. Richard Franks

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    They caught the one accused of killing Thompson. If convicted, I hope he gets life.
     
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    One might speculate that his back pain , surgery experience were a contributing factor that led to this action. We don't know what his experience was with the health insurance Company. (but one can speculate that it was not favorable)
    Chronic severe pain is a high stress factor to live with..( does not justify killing someone)..........but one CAN get delusional.........and depending on the pain killers he was taking......that can alter ones cognitive skills as well'
    It might be a safe assumption that he has suffered pain for sometime......and might not have been monitored as closely as he should have been. None of this is looking for "excuses".......but only to gain a better understanding of the man in question. For a young , higly educated, intellilgent man.........this act of violence falls into psychotic territory.......( based on a possible delusion about his experience with insurance coverage. This could be an "isolated" delusion , that does not affect other areas of functioning in a society. One does have to factor in that the country is prone to violence to "solve" its problems. (as are many of its inhabitants)
     
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    Dude's family was an order of magnitude more wealthy than the person he killed. He was a member of the elite. He had no problems getting the very best medical care that America could offer.

    He was a fan of uncle Ted. Many people on the dissident right are fans of Ted. Give it read, you will find that he utterly despised progressives.

    https://web.cs.ucdavis.edu/~rogaway/classes/188/materials/Industrial Society and Its Future.pdf
     
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    All I know is that, even if I don't much care for the US healthcare industry and the lack of universal healthcare, I would never commit or condone murder over it. It's crazy to see Luigi treated as some kind of hero for this. It seems particularly prevalent on the left.

    I have to think they're not doing Democrats any favors, considering that this sort of thing can easily be exploited in the next campaign season. Nothing screams "radical left!" like a bunch of people on the left praising a terrorist.
     
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    It would be important to find out what happened six months ago...........as that is when he "changed". He stopped socializing, participating on social media, and was literally isolating. It took some moths before his mom (family member) considered him officially missing. as no one could get a hold of him and he had reached out to no one. Seems that until six months ago.....he was a regular person, intelligent , capable. and ambitious. He had been successful academically.

    So the bottom line is that this killing is so out of character that it suggests some kind of psychotic break. If he had been in excruciating pain for an elongated period of time...... and pain killers....., and other stresses that are still unknown...... that is a prescription for a psychotic episode. One cannot determine what his psych vulnerabilities were Something "health" related seemed to trigger his mental deterioration. What is critical is to understand how this intelligent man with so much potential was triggered into planning something so deadly.
    As an evolved society.........we must consider every possible aspect and possibility......(and whether folks like it or not....psychology is a big factor in most crimes ..........as people are walking psychological beings )
    Not suggesting excusing criminal behavior on some weak assessment. But some cases have proven to be more psych related than is obvious at first.
     
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    Personally..........I think it is imperative that politics are left out of these kind of cases. or at least kept to a minim. It is tragic that everything is politicized now to the point that the country itself is so fractured. When vendetta politics enter the scene as it has done via the POTUS elect......it only reinforces negative attitudes and instability, and uncertainly.
    As stated previously.........it seems that some clues lie in this young man's life about six months ago.......when he cut off social ties. THAT is a BIG sign of psych problems. (a radical change in character)
     
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    I would like that, but we both know it will be politicized all the same. There is no stopping it.

    Obviously this guy has issues, but those praising him don't seem to know or care.
     
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    Those that are actually PRAISING him........seem to have the mindset of a "cult".......Not saying they are a cult. .but when a large group elevates someone like this into folk hero status... they are not being objective or trying to assess the situation from various approaches. It could also be a symptom of where society is at.

    Just learned that the defense lawyer is receiving offers of money to assist with his legal fees. (I saw the defense lawyer speaking about this on TV .......from his mouth to PF ;-)
     
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    In the end, the lawyer will make bank but Luigi will still go to prison, probably for life.
     
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    He's clearly Guilty!!! Sentence him to 10 hours community service and a $50 fine.
     
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    He might get the death penalty. That's a possibility.
     
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    the DP is the easy way out
     
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    Why is the shooter only charged with second degree murder?
    @Turtledude have you seen premeditated shooters ever get less than first degree charges?
     
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    No not at all, in most states this would be a death penalty case. premeditated, fled, used illegal weapon, shot the guy in the back, no heat of the moment.
     
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    He's toast, there might be a federal murder charge available too. Those supporting this guy appear to have mental illness, according to a few commentators
     
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    I don't like where this is going. This shooter has fans who adore him, there's a GoFundMe thing set up, and he's being under charged. Now I'm wondering how far down he'll be allowed to plea before he walks after just a few years.

    Is Bragg running this case?
     
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    There is a fundamental far left belief that people like him are inherently evil. Anyone with wealth has to develop that wealth through abusing others and stealing. Violence towards those people is encouraged by the far left.

    Most are smart enough not to admit it openly but with a bit of digging you can see the writing on the wall.
     
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    Trump's DOJ might try to find a federal murder charge though none of the several normal requirements appear to be met. It's gonna take a month probably to deal with the challenge to extradition. There is no statute of limitations on Murder so the feds can charge him next year. Crossed state lines to commit the murder, used a banned firearm and suppressor, crossed state lines fleeing the scene of his crime

    to answer an earlier question about first degree murder-here is an answer (NY apparently is different than most states)
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/alison...was-luigi-mangione-charged-with-what-to-know/

    WHY WASN’T MANGIONE CHARGED WITH FIRST DEGREE MURDER?
    Mangione was charged with second degree murder—despite allegedly straightforwardly shooting Thompson—because New York’s first degree murder law only applies in specific instances, none of which would apply here. The first degree murder law applies in cases where the victim is someone specific like a police officer, peace officer, first responder or state correctional facility employee, or in cases like killing someone as part of an act of terrorism or killing a witness to a crime to prevent their testimony. The first degree murder charge would also apply in cases of “contract killers” who enter into agreements to commit the crime in exchange for money or something else of value.
     
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