UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot outside Hilton hotel in Midtown in targeted attack

It was the healthcare system, meaning insurance, etc that was the problem, not the US government. In other words, the insurance companies will do whatever they can to either delay payments or avoid them altogether.

 

I already said I do not approve of it, but you chose to ignore those parts of my messages. And I'd say the MORE evil people are those who deny coverage to the the many thousands if not millions who have died from being denied treatment or who could not afford insurance. Apparently that doesn't bother you, because if you cared you might be called communist or some such nonsense. I can't believe people in this day and age are still so terrified by communism that if there is even a hint of a social program they will go into "red scare" mode. Get over it. The current system is completely dysfunctional, and is only going to get worse as jobs start vanishing at a faster and faster rate.

 

How do you propose to pay the bills? Are you going to reinstitute slavery, and make all doctors, nurses, etc. work for free? Or, are you going to jack rates up for everyone? Something else?

This is a ginormous problem, meaning "fixing" our healthcare system, and it's not one we're gonna solve, but let's try something relatively simple... We know UHC's operating profits are about 2%, which means they're taking in all the premiums, total, and subtract all claims and other expenses, including salaries, office rentals, etc, etc. there's 2% left over.

If they became a non-profit, and spent all of that 2% on more claims, do you think it would make any substantive difference to UHC's customers? Because I do not. 2% more wouldn't cover even ONE procedure for half their customers/patients. Then what, genius?

 

It is actually super simple, just lift the ban on Medicare for people younger then 65.

 

You missed my point which was a Welrod would have no serial number.

 

I expect this manhunt to end in a suicide like they guy who was wanted for killing his girlfriend, but time will tell.

 

I mountain biked the forest where they found his body about 6 weeks ago... A small world.

 

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Cool. Is it a nice area? I can't wait to mountain bike again in West Virginia.

 

I had about 5 hours to kill while my girlfriend was getting cancer treatment. And too far to drive home and back..... I really wish I would have bought my KLX 230 Kawasaki street legal dirt bike as all of the trails in there are typical Florida ATV trails..... Which is to say deep sugar Sand when there is no rain and mud during the rainy season.

But I would have needed to drive my van to load that bike and it was in the shop. I ended up pushing the bike more than I did riding but still a beautiful area.

Called myakahatchee Creek.

There are a few good mountain biking areas in Florida but that is not one of them.

Most of the good mountain biking areas in Florida are reclaimed mine land.

 

Um. I wasn't responding to you.

 

Unlike girlfriend killer, this guy will absolutely have no remorse, and he might have a lot of supporters.

 

I don't think it means the same type of care, just the same availability. Extras will always be there for those who can afford them. We'll always have some semblance of elite care.

 

The irony is so thick you could cut it.

 

America could always opt for a two tier system. Public + private. The way that works here is if you want something routine, no problems you go private using your health care fund. If you need urgent care go public

 

This is bizarre, a guy goes all the way to get a silenced pistol and then shoots the target in broad daylight in front of dozens of witnesses, leaving cartridge cases for the police? Either this guy is Lee Harvey Oswald or some elaborate double bluffer.

 

****ed around, found out.

 

We have a thread where a poster was denied for routine surgery. The explanation is that it required "pre-approval." And the topic is "deny first and we sort it out later." Meanwhile, he has a $250k medical bill. And from my understanding, he does not have the financial resources to pay $250k all at once or even on a ten-year payment plan. But we can also look at cancer patients who are given new cancer drugs that are marginally effective and cost three, four, five, or even seven times. And then we have you and your medical condition. Maybe we should start looking at if those medical claims your doctor is submitting should be denied and let you foot the bill.

 

there were big pharmas then, but they were in Europe or Asia, just not in the US. Our big companies were the big three automakers, IBM, and a few other companies.

 

Obama tried to introduce single payer universal healthcare but the cons and industry lobbyists attacked it as un American.
I guess this incident is more in keeping with Americans’ propensity for second amendment solutions.
Now they’re talking about throwing vets’ healthcare under the bus, so this won’t be an isolated incident.
Hegseth and Collins’ push for cutting veterans health benefits alarms servicemembers and veterans groups

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/12/07/...-doug-collins-veterans-health-care/index.html

 

Very well said. But the other motive is 100% profits. We not only have a profit motive in the delivery of healthcare, but we never talk about the 2nd tier of healthcare costs, those come from the profit motive of the insurance companies. There are 2 main profit centers in healthcare, and one of them literally provides no value. I live in the 2 largest "insurance capital" of the united stated. I have worked for insurance companies, many of my close friends work for those insurance companies, and they are 100% profit centers because they provide no real service, except to make sure they keep as much of your premiums as possible.
You go ask any healthcare delivery CEO and they will tell you they are getting strangled by insurance companies, anf the insurance companies will tell you that they are loosing money because of healthcare companies.

If you really research our healthcare system, you will find that insurance companies actually run our healthcare system, as well as the medical treatments you get. You think your doctor is deciding your treatment, when in reality he is following rules set by the insurance providers that define "care plans". If you think your doctor is taking care of you, they are not, they arte ding what the insurance companies will allow.

 

https://x.com/nypost/status/1865393709879025762

Backpack found in Central Park and allegedly the killer went to Port Authority an hour after the shooting and left on a bus. Fake ID and stayed with 2 other men at the Hostel. Seems like he wasn't a professional but someone who carefully planned the murder but is making a lot of mistakes.

 

it is more like 3-5%. United Health Care had 3.63% profits, equating to $14.3 Billion. They have 49.3 million customers. That comes to 290 per customer. Adding that to what is already put into medical care, and considering most of those 49.3 million will not have a medical crisis, that is ****ing HUGE. And I am all for taxes paying for it, as well as having EVERYONE regardless of income or job, including the president and congressmen, get the exact same medical care. I guarantee the care would get a lot better very quickly.
Not to mention cracking down on big pharma that charge ridiculous prices for critical medicines and procedures.
The bottom line is that it is unacceptable, and needs to change. Our health care is **** compared to the rest of the developed nations of the world, unless you are wealthy enough to be able to afford health insurance, which 27 million Americans cannot. If you think the greatest nation on Earth cannot fix something as essential as health care, then we do not have our priorities straight.

 

It is possible that he deliberately dropped that bag in Central Park, as recordings have captured his entry and exit from the park.

 

Can anyone explain why there is so much media attention on this killing? As compared, for example, to anyone who has been shot elsewhere in the US. If you or I were shot in NYC, would the FBI be all over it like this?

 

They can do it as long as they allowed to do it.
What they are doing is simply unsafe, so new safety measures can be implemented to stop that vicious cycle.