US says Russia has lost 315,000 troops in Ukraine, equivalent to 90% of invading force

Declassified US intelligence report says Putin has been forced to take ‘extraordinary measures to sustain [Russia’s] ability to fight’

Russia has had 315,000 of its troops killed or injured in Ukraine, the equivalent of nearly 90 per cent of the total number of soldiers it sent to war when the invasion first began, a declassified US intelligence report said.

Vladimir Putin’s personnel losses in the 22 months of the conflict have set back Russia’s military modernisation by 18 years, a source familiar with the assessment told Reuters.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/russian-losses-in-ukraine-war-cia-b2463129.html

_________________________________________

That's why we need to help Ukraine.

The US and its allies will economically and militarily weaken Russia - our biggest antagonist - by spending only 5% of the defense budget.

It will take Putin (and his successors) 20 years to make up for this mess.

Not a drop of American blood shed on the battlefield.

No domestic economic repercussions.

Sooner or later, Ukraine will join the European Union, and we'll be in the front line to invest in its reconstruction.

 

Wow .. so .. 315K is a reasonable number roughly 100K KIA the rest wounded .. may of which will return at some point, but still these are sizable numbers. The idea that extra ordinary measures are required on this basis is the flawed part. Vlad has 750,000 in reserve .. just waiting... many of the 100K dead were in the initial surge .. which failed .. but since being behind the defensive wall Russian casualties have been way less than Ukraine .. who has suffered upwards of 500K KIA so far .. and another million wounded. Vlad has set up a Ukrainian Sausage grinder ... throwing human wave after human wave at it was a bad idea.

Ukraine has run out of human capital .. short on Ammo and weapons .. and lately out of friends willing to put up more dough. Sure we are not losing US Soldiers but we are losing in a whole lot of other ways .. spending hundreds of billions of dollars better spent elsewhere -- just for starters.

 

Our military disagrees with you.

 

Ukraine is all but a wasteland at this point.
Russia has air and sea superiority over all of Ukraine and the US isn't going to provide aircraft and ships.

Losses on the Ukrainian side are more than double that of Russia and Ukraine has run out of military personnel.
This is ending EXACTLY as it was forecasted and Russia will win. If nothing but out of attrition.

I'm not even sure they have a power grid there anymore. Without aircraft, ships, and more soldiers there is no amount of money that will turn this around.

This is the great I TOLD YOU SO of the century. Even Democrat lawmakers are asking for Ukraine's plan to win this war with just additional money and they don't have one. 117 billion hasn't done it, which is more than any war in history, but another 61 billion will?

Explain how more money will increase the amount of Ukrainian soldiers or defeat Russia's air and sea superiority.

 

What do they disagree with.. I agreed with the 315K number you posted from the Pentagon ? does the Military disagree with the Pentagon ? ..

 

That the money given to Ukraine would be better spent elsewhere.

 

Bullshit. What the war has done has made Russia self-reliant. It is a gift. There is not a chance in hell that Ukraine wins. Not the tiniest sliver of a chance. All they can do is send their best young men into a demographic shredder for no good reason other than America refuses to negotiate a deal.

 

It would be careless and shameful for the US to not continue to support Ukraine. I like how the EU is pursuing Ukraine's, the US should never abandon its allies.

 

Ukraine can't win, but Russia can lose.

 

You don't know your history.

In the 80s, Russia tried to invade Afghanistan.

At first, the US didn't intervene.

But gradually, from 1983 onwards, funds were voted in Congress to help the mujahideen.

This eventually made the difference, and in 1989, the Russians left defeated.

The Afghan War is as traumatic for Russian society as Viet Nam is here.

Ukraine is 10x worse for them.

 

I love this sentence.

In fact, Russia hasn't achieved any of its objectives with its "special military operation".

We can all agree that Ukraine won't push the Russians back into Crimea, but it can, with our help, make this war unsustainable.

And the US can only benefit from a weak Russia.

 

Poland has mobilized thousands of extra troops over the past two months, fearing a Russian invasion if Ukraine falls.

 

How so? Russia should have steamrolled over Ukraine but didn't and it seems like they can't. That tells me Russia's real military threat towards us are their nukes. Russia is currently refurbishing obsolete tanks to fight in Ukraine, if it's that bad then Europe doesn't need to worry that much. And if a NATO country got attacked Russia would be up against a lot more than what they're facing in Ukraine, they'd be facing huge air forces and navies.

I'm against any more funding for Ukraine. If Europe wants fund them then by all means let them, after all, the supposed concern about Russia is invading parts of Easter Europe, not the Americas.

And if Russia pulls out and gives up the fight, then guess who will be picking up the tab to rebuild Ukraine?

 

Firstly, there is no greater threat to the security of NATO countries than Russia.

Sweden and Finland asked for - and received - accelerated NATO membership as soon as hostilities with Ukraine began.

Do you really wonder why?

Secondly, Germany (and Europe) no longer buys its gas from Russia.

The US and Norway are now the main suppliers.

Thirdly, China is watching Ukraine closely because it wants to see how long the US can keep up its support.

If the US were to drop Ukraine, it would be a signal that Xi could invade Taiwan without suffering major consequences.

Rebuilding Ukraine is an incredible investment opportunity for us.

Just as it was for Japan and Germany in 1945.

Ukrainians are educated, Western-oriented and want a democratic country.

 

Actually we are sending planes.
https://www.reuters.com/world/us-approves-sending-f-16s-ukraine-denmark-netherlands-2023-08-17/

Patently false.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/18/us/politics/ukraine-russia-war-casualties.html

If Russia wins it will be because conservative politicians are sympathetic to Putin’s hatred of freedom and gays.

Russia can’t keep this up forever. If we keep supporting Ukraine Putin will cave.

 

Uh, yeah, That was months ago. We aren't sending in any more

You just posted a link claiming nearly 500 Ukrainian casualties and wounded to Russia's 300K
Did you not know that?

I missed the part where conservative politicians being sympathetic to Putins hatred of freedom and gays stopped any of the 177 billion provided to Ukraine (Just from the US) or puts more soldiers on the ground.
Oh, it didn't. You were just regurgitating leftist tripe because they were told up front that Ukraine can't win this war but you wouldn't listen so you needed a new excuse that means nothing.

Yeah, thats what leftist said about the 176 billion spent in Vietnam and the 2 trillion spent in Afghanistan and we all saw how that turned out.
You don't have enough bodies left in Ukraine to make Putin cave if you spent another trillion.
But you armchair military strategist seem to have all the answers without any of the education to profess anything about wars. Other than conservatives sympathetic to Putins hatred of gays.

 

Did you bother to read the article or at least the quoted part in the OP?

"Vladimir Putin’s personnel losses in the 22 months of the conflict have set back Russia’s military modernisation by 18 years, a source familiar with the assessment told Reuters."

Even if that's only accurate by half it's significant. What the war HAS done is expose the lack of technology, poor manufacturing and horrible design of Russia's heave weapons. So much so that it has China looking at their hole card because much of the heavy arms are copied from Russian designs.

We've send a lot to Ukraine, and a lot of what we've sent were antiquated arms we needed to use or get rid of. So, yes, on the books it's cost money but we aren't storing and inventorying a bunch of crap we wouldn't want to send to war with our kids troops anyway.

Putin has broke his pick fighting this war; 90% casualties is unsustainable. We just need to hang in there and it will be a big win for Ukraine and NATO.

 

1st off, Russia doesn't have 90% casualties. They have 90% casualties of their initial evasion force of 196K.
They have another 800,000 trained soldiers right now.

2nd, This is the great I TOLD YOU SO. Russia will win this war as it was prescribed before it started. They have air and sea superiority and we aren't sending any fighters, ships, or soldiers which is what is needed to win this.

3rd, Ukraine is all but rubble at this point. And as explained in the UK Military Performance and Outlook data provided December of 2023, the UK is now suffering from heavy personnel losses with combat solders with very basic training trying to defend. Also limiting command staff.
https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/IF/IF12150

It doesn't matter how much money you throw at this. They don't have the bodies, ships, or aircraft to utilize anything other than dragging this out.

At this point this is just a matter of attrition.

 

Biden says what? Clearly Russia is well positioned for a spring offensive. Quit listening to Biden's Defense Department flunkees.

 

Where is your source for that? Perhaps if you had a shred of credibility I would take your word for it be here we are.

Can you not read? It days 500k total dead and wounded in the Ukraine war. That’s including Russians and Ukrainians. The article goes on to explain that Russian casualties dwarfs Ukrainian casualties.

First of all, we have only sent 75 million.

https://www.cfr.org/article/how-much-aid-has-us-sent-ukraine-here-are-six-charts

Second, conservatives have always been reluctant to oppose Putin. It’s almost as if they admire a man who hates gays and freedom and murders journalists. Which isn’t to say conservatives share those values

:eye roll:

 

1. The Netherlands is donating some of their F-16s of which they only have 24 total. Not the US.
2. Flight training on the aircraft is 8 months starting last October
3. Then they need trained flight crews to manage them

So no F-16s have been delivered to Ukraine and most likely only a couple at most.
Not enough to do anything,

Leftist regurgitations from media tripe.
Sounds more like your already making excuses for what you know is going to fail.

 

I see the RT has now weighed in.... always refreshing to see the pro-Russian side represented...

 

The MAGA House is more pro-Russian than many of the Russian people are these days... Total embarrassment to our country.

BTW, there has been American blood shed, but that was by choice, not order... Their names may not be known to average Americans, but I bet they're heros in Ukraine...

 

Yet only 5% of 2022's defense Budget

Quite a bargain !

 

That has always been the case as long as I've been around. This type of fear mongering has been in practice for a very long time. What's really surprising is it has become so successful today!

Really says alot about the younger Americans today, and more about the roll of the old politician back then and how they have transformed common sense into gullible drones..