US says Russia has lost 315,000 troops in Ukraine, equivalent to 90% of invading force

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  1. Condor060

    Condor060 Banned Donor

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    Its not may claim

    F-16 delays leave Ukraine exposed to deadly Russian air superiority
    https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blo...ne-exposed-to-deadly-russian-air-superiority/

    Ukrainian pilots plead for F-16s as they battle Russian air superiority
    https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/21/europe/ukraine-pilot-f16-russia-intl/index.html

    “At the moment we can’t do anything,” Juice says. “We can’t fight them at all with our missiles, with our radars.
    “The F-16 will definitely help with that,” he says.
    But while Russia maintains technological superiority in the air, it’ll be very difficult for Ukrainian pilots to push Moscow’s pilots out of their skies.
    “When we when we have this aircraft, we will strike maybe one or two Russian planes and they will be afraid, maybe change their tactics, and I think they will stop operating above occupied territory,” Pumba explains. “It’ll leave an open area for our ground guys to conduct their assault.”

    Successful drone attacks? You mean their racing drone build program flying FPV carrying a grenade?
    They lose about as many pilots as they do kills.
     
  2. Glücksritter

    Glücksritter Well-Known Member

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    Yes, unfortunately his claims for the Ukraine he tried to achieve with the war we are witnessing right now. He wont care if you call his claims "idiotic".


    Of course a lot of people did deny he was planning his attack, mostly smart asses who made the comparison to the MWD in Iraq like you.


    So, yet you wanna increase the chances.

    Yes and theoretically an attack by Russia on a NATO state pull the US into a war with Russia, but I cannot blame Putin to doubt that the USA or Western-European states will really enter the war, if they arent even in it to prevent it preemtively with such a low-budget project. China will watch this too, although the assessment could be different as they fear on the one hand the US military, but on the other a complete boycot by the US, EU, Asian countries and Australia could be a complete desaster as well, but as a dry run this Ukraine war gives useful information. By the way, right now China seems to be in fear the West and other idsutrial powers (South Korea, Japan, etc.) will put them under sanctions, otherwise they will start to supply the Russians for their proxy war against the NATO.
     
  3. conservaliberal

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    I don't have anything concrete... yet. However, I have found a source that purports to have gone into the whole issue of calculating Russian casualties in considerable depth: https://meduza.io/en/feature/2023/07/10/bring-out-your-dead And, this Meduza.io site has "high" credibility, as rated by an org called "Media Bias/Fact Check":
    https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/meduza/

    At any rate, according to this Meduza.io site, as of July 2023, the Russian count was: 47,000 killed, and total casualties, including wounded, at 125,000.

    The CIA FOIA reading room site has not produced anything regarding a report of Russian casualties at 315,000 or any other figure, but I'm still drilling in. There was a lot of interesting information about World War II, the Soviet Union, Sino-Soviet forces in 1958, etc. :pc:
     
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  4. Pro_Line_FL

    Pro_Line_FL Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    At least Meduza admits they came up with their number based on a study conducted by their own journalists, so it is what it is.

    US Intel estimates it at 315K dead and wounded, but as you say we have not seen the text as it is not yet published at the FOIA site.
     
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  5. conservaliberal

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    Credibility is very important here, or else we can slide down that 'slippery-slope' sort of casualty reporting that Washington 'sources' used during Vietnam -- totally unreliable, as I've already pointed out.

    Meduza seems 'legit', but my 'jury is still out'. Of particular interest in this lengthy Russian casualty analysis by Meduza is the very last portion presented below (with my emphases), which seems to be a genuine offer:

    "The full version of our method is being published as a repository containing a Jupyter notebook with all our calculations and aggregated data from Russia’s Probate Registry. With this aggregated data, it is possible to reproduce the part of our calculations that is devoted to excess inheritance cases. To request our source data to duplicate our analysis from start to finish (the material contains personal information, so we aren’t publishing it), please write to requests@meduza.io.

    This investigation was a collective effort. For security reasons, we cannot identify all the authors at this time, which is why we are signing this story with a hashsum * — the alphanumeric code you see below. It contains data about the people who prepared this report. We will decipher the code in the future.


    This is a joint investigation by Meduza and Mediazona.
    165480718bbeaa231424d6a752a0fa8b8aeff5fb538d2146dd650c2e132b1692
    Abridged, English-language adaptation by Kevin Rothrock"


    * I didn't know what a "hashsum" is, so I looked it up... it's essentially the same as "checksum".
     
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